A child raised in Nigeria is better than a child raised in Yankee (USA)?
I agree wiv every one who has said it doesnt matter where the child is raised. it all rests wiv the parents. My cousin's were born, and live in the states. they are about 7yrs and 8yrs old. they have never visited Nigeria. But as soon as you call their house,even the younger gal who's 4 will greet you in our language.you dont need to remind her.Meanwhile, my nieces who are in Nigeria here,you have to remind them to greet you.
I have also met some white children who see you and say a proper good afternoon and not a simple 'hiya'. (doesnt happen everyday,but it does happen).
Parents are generally lax wiv the way they bring up children these days.its just too bad. bringing them to Nigeria is just an excuse to let someone else do the hard work for you. You dont need to use guava trees to beat ur children into shape. there are ways.
I AGREE WITH YOU. TEENAGE PREGNANCY FOR WESTSIDE IS LIKE A NORM. AT NAIJA "HOW DARE YOU"
NAIJA TEACHES YOU TO RESPECT YOUR ELDERS BEING IT YOUR PARENTS OR NEIGHBOURS BUT HERE? YOU ARE LUCKEY IF A KID MAKE EYE CONTACTS.
SOME OF WEST SIDE KIDS ARE HIGH SCHOOL DROP OUT WHEN THEY HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO HIGHER INSTITUTION. ANY NAIJA KID THAT IS NOT IN SCHOOL IS BECUASE HE OR SHE CANNOT AFFORD IT NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE LAZY BUMBS
most kids now lie steal and fornicate however society in Nigeria does not openly encourage it. a teenager in Niger cannot open their mouth and tell ANY BODY (emphasis on any body) that they went out and got off with some boy in a club or party where in the UK if u have not kissed a boy b4 u leave secondary school they might find u a councillor to ask if u are mentally OK all on the free nhs budget
i personally think that kids raised in Nigeria are better.if for nothing else the child will get an idea of what shame is.every thing is always alright and nobodies fault in the UK.a child does not want to go to school ''that alrit,
how can a parent discipline a child at home and then the child goes to school where she is encouraged tricked and almost forced it talk about what goes on at home only for the teachers to say it was not right for the parent to discipline the child thus undermining the parents authority.what respect will the child have for the parent.
i beg can anybody give me a name and number for a good primary and secondary boarding school in Nigeria.
Children raised in Nigeria are better, "Yes" that is if the child was born in Nigeria. Very Nigeria child has the experience of African Cultures, the dress in there culture ways and dance cultural dances.
But some of our parents in Nigeria today find it difficult to show there child cultural things. Like taking them to there various town in their village it helps. With this it make our children wise and diffrent from other countries and that is why Nigeria Children are better.
read the whole thread. my 0.02:
1. I saw a lot of its against the law to smack your child in this thread, but I guarantee you, discipline is alive and well. You have to put your foot down. As my aunt (who lives in Dallas) says. "Call the cops, I'll kill you first." There's a difference between abuse and discipline. And as for the authorities clamping down on it, where were they when Baby P was getting the his little Bottom handed to him. I honestly believe that it is an urban legend and an excuse for slack parenting. Not that beating your child does anything anyway. You can't beat a bad egg good.
2. At least abroad there is machinery in place to protect children. Age restrictions etc. Nollywood has long since had age restrictions but a young person can buy a film marked 18 from the vendors. You can't buy alcohol, cigarettes or Indecency until you're 18 or 21 in US/UK but go to Ikoyi Club or something and see if they card anybody (maybe they do now) or go to a department store and see if anyone will stop you. Same thing with cigs from the mallam. When I was 12-14, I bought/rented Indecency from various places- only one person ever called me up on it. If the cashier has morals they may let it go, but its likely they may not. I don't know where the idea that young people abroad club all the time, you only hear about it when something goes wrong. this does not mean it does not occur, but for all the people that do it, there are people who don't have fake ID or whatever and cant get in. compare this to the 15 and 16 year old types in Naija who spent every monday in my SS2 and 3 talking about this and that happened in the club.
3. We Nigerians can be quite funny at times. Ex. the legislators freaking out over BBA calling it immoral when they are robbing the people they swore to serve in the very next order of business. In the eyes of God, sex is not worse than stealing no matter what you tell yourself. American kids for instance have a higher level of integrity with regards schoolwork. Not to say people don't cheat, but they keep it on the d/l. they don't openly boast about having 'crunch' before an exam. But that's ok. He doesn't drink or smoke.
4. there's a lot more, but it's late. bottom line though, as other people have said, it is in the hands of the parents. No matter where you are. You have to be there for your child from the start, throughout the formative years, and through adolescence, especially then. The people whose parents always came to school regularly tended to do better than those who didnt. As has been said on this thread, Naija parents tend to be very busy abroad but its like they forget they weren't busy in Naija? They need to shape up, because there's no excuse for parents who have degrees to have children who don't want to go to uni. If parents don't work at being role models for their kids, they'll get it elsewhere.
5. one last point, so what if they can't speak their native tongue. i see no positive/negative to this.
i think saying children raised in nigeria are better literally is an unreasonable statement, what if you raise your child in the ghetto without proper ppl taking care of him/her,what if he/she is sent under the bridge to hawk ice water or sent to roofless or window less schools?
i think IF the right schools are gotten for the child,and the right family support as some families can be counter productive and negative influence for the child then children raised in nigeria are better, your assertion is relative not cast in stone
i agree that better is too broad.
However children in UK are disadvantaged and it has to be said. The government has taken so much control that it is truly difficult to discipline your children the way you know will do them good in future. I taught in a school inLondon and boy o boy was it a baptism of fire. I could not believe the level of indiscpline and rudeness. The level of sickness amoung teachers in the uk, London in particular is so high because they just cannot cope with the behaviour of the kids, and this i must add was in primary school! Someone in my school was constantly being called up to her sons school, secondary, because he was always in trouble and once i passed his school and there was a police helicopter because there had been some fight with boys using bats and knives.
Everyone keeps to themselves because they are afraid of being stabbed or abused. Have you been on a bus at hometime? Gosh! These kids, thirteen and fourteen year olds were talking about graphic sex acts that theyd taken part in.It was so sickening that i had to get off the bus, as did a lot of other adults, especially some with young children. They do it to shock you so you can say something if you are silly and then get the mob abuse of your life. Once i saw a child almost walking into the oncoming traffic while her teenage mum stood by puffing cirgerettes with her friends. When i said , ''Hey, your child, '' She hissed and said ''It aint your f***king business a**h***!''
Thank you very much. All this is just the tip of the iceberg!
True Nigerian children are not the same as we were when we were growing up. They are exposed to a lot of things. But i think the way we were brought up to respect people and property was not such a bad thing. Majority of Nigerians know what is good for their children and if you dont someone will surely teach you. In London noone cares and there arent much family values. the little there is the govt have suceeded in making people look like child abusers.
Here we are not perfect but by the time your uncle, neighbour, grand parents etc have a word or two your children will generally behave a bit better than one who is so used to not being told wrong or right.
Ultimatley its the waY YOu bring up the child AND the environment the child grows up in and i think the Nigerian environment is better.
For me I would say that the nigerian brought up child is better. He may seem to lack some priviledges . But as far as respect for our societal values go I'd rather raise my children in Naija where if "foolishness is enthroned in the heart of a child" I can use the "rod of correction" to drive it far from it, without having the authorities breathing down my neck. or what do you think
We really lack the basic thing's kids need to know ranging from security to inadequate materials for kids to use in their various schools and worst of it all is the issue of transportation and Electricity, knows the meaning of up NEPA because he or she has been hearing it rite from cradle, my question is what can one do without the use of electricity? i was thought in school that there are three types of transportation but you can prove that in Nigeria.
Try your best , I mean your very best never to train your child in Nigeria alone. Things here are abnormal.
I dont want my children growing up wondering who NEPA why you can't run to the police for help, why fire stations have no water, why bus stops have no seats. There are many things lacking in Nigeria. When children are brought up in two differnet environments they can appreciate the good things in both by the help of the parents, and reject the negatives is both.
Above all its who'd bringing up the child that matters.
maybe I do need to go back to 0.5 + 0.5 = 1 and then to 1 + 1 = 2.
Why would evil people feel the need to act their evil deeds if society does not frown on it? A society where evil deeds are condeoned is the one where evil deeds are openly exhibited without shame or fear
now go back and read the contaxt of everything else!
biko, I tire for elementary school teaching jare.
whenever some people try to justify anything unjustifiable, they ascribe what others have not said to them. I see this trait in a peculiar kind of people on this forum.
Where exactly did I say that we should pretend as if there is no evil in our society?
What I said was that you dont see the kind of racy scenes on Nigerian movies that you find on American TV. If some people's minds are too shallow and cant reason well, it's not my fault.
If I always have to go through 1+1 everytime before I can say 2, it becomes difficult to communicate
@babyjinx, nowadays anybody can bear anyname, that's why I had to ask to be sure if I was talking to a male, female, transgendered, babymale or babyfemale Lol, I still would rebuke you if I find you wanting in the area of insulting people just to drive home your point so now that you didn't, I still commend you. You hear?
@justgood, something or some people get on our nerves by the things they say or do but the best thing we should try doing is to keep cool while maintaining our maturity. We are all here to share and learn, no one is perfect and no one can claim to know it all.
It's a matter of (writing)semantics.
Doing something in secret because society frowns on it is different from just having a secret way of doing things. It is not about keeping things secret - it's about the fact that it's not acceptable and so perpetrators have to hide in order to do it
Evils things are always concocted in secret!
I dont know how else to explain it to you
I can speak and think for my self. I like Baby Jinx but we don't agree on everything - which is fine, so let's not get that twisted.
I understood what you said prior too and it is still flawed. There is no good in keeping things secret that could potentially help the younger generation.
You either share the resources or let them be found on their own, which is usually detrimental.
you are the one who needs to do some growing up. You still cant understand the point I'm making there. I guess I need to re-jig the sentence.
A society which frowns on evil and does not allow evil to be displayed blatantly has some element of good in it.
by the way, have you read the whole thing in context or are you just jumping because your women's lib champion has started to beat drums?
@honeric, how we all do misunderstand ourselves online. the fans comment was never directed at you. i'm sorry if you feel it was intended for you.
truth is, the woman knows there is a reason she jumped at my post before thinking. there's a history there which you are not aware of and I have tried to avoid such women on this forum since I realise what they are.
I dont insult people unnecessarily but I always speak back if someone insults me; not a great attribute I know but I cant help it much yet. I'm trying to learn to ignore but this online thing is something i'm not yet used to
@JustGood, I was commentating on THAT. That logic is flawed and I appreciate you address me (as well as the others here who aren't mudslinging with you) with respect!
The problem is people only want to educate in degrees. You need to do more than just that, just because you dare not want to speak on it doesn't mean it's not happening.
Grow up. The information is there don't be too ashamed to use it.
Justgood, I ain't no one's fan, but when I see positive things, I commend the person involved, you can try to be less insulting, more civil, yet drive in your point solidly. People can't always think the way you do. I know you understand that. I am noting yours and other people's points and I am getting results from them. Just try to be civil, that's all
So telling your kids about sex, drugs, crime are considered evil things? You should want your kids to be prepared for what is out there in NIGERIA, in the UK, in AMERICA. Say what you may, you deny things and kids will get curious and go out and seek their own truth. Why shouldn't they come to you? I think this is a black issue, mainly. TALK TO YOUR CHILDREN, we are quick to want to hit them (and get mad because the laws say we can't - which is not true).
I rather inform my children truthfully than have others do it for me. At least I know I've done all I could do. Keeping things a secret works for so long the truth will come out and be just - if not more, destructive.
I see that madness runs in the blood of this animal baby Jinx.
Why do thieves plan in secret? Why is every bad thing perperated in secret?
Seeing as you are unable to think rationally, i'll break it down for you biscuit brain. If a society frowns on evil and evil people try to hide and cover their deeds, it shows that the society has some good in it. A society which allows evil to be perpetrated openly is an evil society in itself.
Now go back and apply that to my post, then read the post I was responding to and it just might start making some sense to you.
The government has a hand in spoiling kids in "some foreign countries". Imagine passing a law that says you cannot reprimand your own kid. Discipline is not a softly softly thing. Discipline requires seriousness and a "little slap on the wrist or bum" sometimes. Once you remove that and allow the kids to know it, there goes the respect for parents or any form of authority.