please is it really true that if u are As and your fiance is AS both of u can not get maaried?, is it really important or dose it really matter at all?
What can you say about this?
And what is your Genotype?
please is it really true that if u are As and your fiance is AS both of u can not get maaried?, is it really important or dose it really matter at all?
What can you say about this?
And what is your Genotype?
Of course, genotype may increase the risks of having poor health in your babies. However, you should not be guided solely by genotypes or get too obsessed by them in your relationships. Love was never meant to be handled and viewed through medical issues or blood type. There are risks for healthy and genotype matching parents to have ill babies too. The trick is how you bond with each other, rather than what genotype you have. It is not enough to have healthy kids, you need to be able to provide them with a healthy and happy home and family.
pls pls and pls... dont try it ,,,
my mum is AC while my dad is As.... we are 4 children
1st male= ss(dead)
2nd female= ac
4th female- ac
plssss, i beg u dnt again..
my father hung himself when my elder brother died, thank God for intervention from people that came in early enough.
few years later, nothing pleased my parents, dey were always at loggerhead on who caused d death of my brother. ther was never peace in the house as they kept blaming themselves as to wondering what went wrong.
i kud imagine what they went through,
no matter d so called unconditional love u claim u have for ur spouse, d love will fade cos ull keep feeling the loss. and it becomes more painful if ur knowledgeable and still turn deaf ears,,,
why would u want to abort a child in the first place when u kan as well avert it,, God didnt bring us to suffer in this world thats y he made AA for AS or AC and not AS for AS. dont force ur self to love, ignorance is not an excuse.
In as much as I agree with u that marriage is firstly abt the companionship (mind u that's just in our opinions, lotta people out there don't feel that way) most married couples want to av children. And in most cases yes that 25% risk is enof reason not to go ahead with it. And u seem not to realize that the 25% risk is every child that the couple brings into this world. ie all, none or part the children can be ss. I've seen a family with 5 children 2 of which r ss and also lost both of em later.
A ss patient is a child just like any other but they require a different kind of care. U've never experienced takin care of an ss child otherwise u'd probably av a different opinion. It can be a huge financial, emotional and psychological stress on all the family members yes not just the parents and the child. It can even threaten the companionship u seem to be going on and on abt or push it to a distant background. Consider the facts that
A huge part of the family income may have to be directed towards keeping the child alive especially in a nation like ours where most families r struggling financially.
The frequent hospital visits which nobody likes
This child may not be able to do a lot of things his/pairs do for fun as many of those tend to trigger crises, u might have a hard time making the child understand that and that may even do things to him/her psychologically especially if the parents r not really understanding.
What of the other children who might not even be able to cope with the issue of their seemingly weak bro/sis whom they might even think is getting more care and attention from daddy and mommy
Truth is the list goes on and on, buh the meat of it is that unless u r absolutely sure u don't want to have children AS/AS marriage isn't advisable no matter what companionship or love u seem to be enjoying.
Yes SCD children can live a normal life buh most families just cant afford to give em that life
It requires the kind of understanding which most parents don't have considering that the enlightened ones will avoid having to go thru that anyway.
Places on the family a kind of stress that might be hard to cope with
And whether we like it or many of em still die despite care and all causing the family grief.
So NO SIR! This issue is not overrated at all. It's a serious matter. I blv Google is everybody's friend maybe u shld try reading abt people's experiences or even interact with people around u that have experienced it and then really decide if it's overrated really
God will bless u, m still waiting to come across a more ignorant post, in fact ignorance is an understatement, it's pathological ignorance otherwise if the guy had any ability think he Wld know that ss patients in the city r likely to have access to better and specific care aimed at ensuring their longevity and hence u r likely to come across them however in the villages where many of them die before they r 5 due to minimal or even lack of access to quality health care. Hence u tend not to see them around. It's a case of survival of the fittest.
lol @ the christianity vs science debate.
the catholic church in nigeria are bloody hypocrites. so because it is now scientifically possible to know ur genotype, they are demanding for test before marriage. but what is not scientifically possible, they leave it to faith.
it is not scientifically possible for a man given birth to by a virgin to die and rise after three days, and then ascend to the high heavens never to be seen again without being a lost astronaut. but i guess we should leave that to faith? ...yeah right!
but one thing i wonder though, how did our forbearers cope with the disease before oyibo man discovered sickle cell gene in the black man barely a 100 years ago? did they also do selective breeding like we have been advised by oyibo?
EVERYONE HAS A JOT OF FAITH IN THEM THAT CAN ONLY BE GREATLY MAGNIFIED WHEN THEY ARE IN CHRIST. INDEED THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH! AND NOT BY GENOTYPE OR ANY OTHER LIMITATIONS THAT DOCTORS HAVE PLACED ON MAN. FOR EXAMPLE A DOCTOR CAN TELL YOU DONT EAT THIS AND DONT DRINK THAT AS A WAY OF OVERCOMING AN ILLNESS BUT WITH GOD EVEN WHEN YOU DO DRINK AND EAT ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT DOCTORS HAVE PLACED AN EMBARGO ON FOR YOU IT WILL NOT HURT YOU!
MY MOTHER DIED OF HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND MY DAD HAS IT AND DURING MY GENOTYPE TEST MANDATED BY MY PARENTS THE DOCTOR SAID MY BLOOD PRESSURE WAS HIGH AND SINCE I HAD IT IN MY FAMILY THAT I MOST PROBABLY WOULD HAVE IT. THIS IS 15YRS OF LIVING A NORMAL LIFE AND EATING ALL THOSE THINGS WHICH DOCTORS HAVE TOLD MY DAD NEVER TO TOUCH AND I HAVE NEVER... I REPEAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE FOUR WALLS OF A HOSPITAL WARD DUE TO ILLNESS OR EVEN TO BE BEDRIDDEN AT HOME. MY WIFE HAS FOLLOWED MY TREND AND SHE WHOM EVERY 2 MONTHS WOULD ALWAYS BE STRUCK DOWN WITH TYPHOID OR MALARIA FOR 3 YRS NOW HAS NEVER KNOWN SUCH NOR HAS SHE SUFFERED FROM A HEADACHE.
FAITH IS ALIVE AND NOT DEAD. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS PLACED ON GODS WORD. GENOTYPE OR NO GENOTYPE MY BLOOD GROUP AND THOSE OF MY FAMILY IS CALLED JESUSTYPE.
Bloog2tooker and ACM10 have put a good argument on the subject under discussion.
Nevertheless,I'll only advise that if partners have such a strong faith or clear conviction from God to marry each other,I suggest they go ahead;and if not,they should not venture into such marriage. I think it will be good to always be at the safer side instead of tying God to some simple things we should have ordinarily use our common sense to sort out.
If partners who are both AS genotype say they have faith in God and go ahead to marry each other and at the end of the day they give birth to SS child,they shouldn't think God has changed even when their heart desires are not met that doesn't mean God is not God. He will forever remain God.
Having such faith to me is like tempting God. So try to be at the safer side. God bless you all.
we have a family-friend with 3 kids and all are SS and one is late. My best female friend lost a sister to the genetic disorder. My brother's best-friend died as a result of that as well. Suppy-joe, a very funny neighbor also passed on. Don't play poker with someone's happiness/health because u feel u have found love. Yes, ur unborn child's feelings should be a factor. One of my close friends said this after his SS brother died," i thank God he is dead.I could see the toll it was taking on the family especially my parents. It is a very terrible experience that i can't wish my enemy"
On the other hand, i heard there is a medical procedure to alter the genotype of children now. I think i read something about it and a hospital in Edo state carried it out successfully. Medical people oya talk now o.
days are gone when AS were forbidden to marry AS.As things stands now both can marry .Why?
D fact is that for each birth dia is 25percent risk of having SS,25 percent 50percent AS.
Although science has nt bn able to tell us how to know which one will be b4 pregnancy,however it has bn found dt genotype of a foetus cn b determined at 12wks of gestatn via chorionic villus sampling,so if it is SS,it cn b therapeutically aborted.u may questn ds bt wht will u do wn u do d routine anomaly scan at 20wks of gestatn and u find ov d foetus has no head,remove it or keep it 4 9months
At the bolded parts:
- Let others also live the LIFE they have chosen to.
- That's when it's the ONLY alternative!: In this situation we are discussing, getting married to another AS is NOT the only alternative.
With the tone of your conversation throughout this topic, would an unbeliever be able to catch on Jesus that way?
I have lived with ASTHMA for years and I was expected to live on drugs inhalers and injection all my life. I prayed to God for miracle and infact I believed that it was going to come. I could not eat anything fried, smell perfume, coffee, petrol, diesel etc. I took precautions and also prayed that my miracle will come someday. Now this is 13 years later and I am completely whole. During the time of my believing in God... I will not go and intentionally expose myself to triggers. Wisdom is profitable to direct isn't it. Think about it.
This is why people are advice to read their books and study hard......JUST IMAGINE THIS F9 answer....AA, AS, SS are the possible outcomes of an AS-AS union, what geno type the child will have is a gamble within those choices, you could have four kids and they would all be SS, or if you are lucky non might be SS......The clear advice here is not to gamble with the possibilities......JUST MY PIECE
Why, I asked if one can knowingly have canal knowledge of a AIDS patient is because most marriages take s.exual satisfaction into consideration.
And I do not mean to brag about what I have achieved, but Stigmatising SS people based on your own a few contact with them is wrong.
A SS who feeds well and stick to the drugs that work well with his/her system will live a healthy and fulfilling life.
SS is a Genetic disoder and not a Death sentence.
How many people get married without thinking of having children? This is Africa o! If couples have incompatible genotypes and go ahead to marry but decide not to have kids or adopt then, there will be no problem. I believe the op was thinking of kids before raising this question. For me I am of the opinion that couples should think about the feelings of the unborn children before plotting this 'probability graph'. Will they be happy if you bring them into the world as probably SS, knowing what knowledge is available to you today?
The whole AS/AS thing is overrated! Wait! Read my full story before you judge me.
To be candid, AS/AS pairing is a risk because medically, there is a 25% chance of having an SS child. That is also the same chance of having an AA but unfortunately, people create automatic SS in their minds once they hear AS/AS. It is possible for the pairing to have 10 children without having SS. Mathematically, the more number of children you plan to have, the higher the risk.
However, It amazes me why people ignore the bigger possibility of 75% chance of having no SS. I wil advise people who wants to do it to weigh their options and be convinced that they can face the consequence before they go ahead. Often times, it is the negative comments like the one that abound here on Nairaland that weakens people faith.
Let me further blow your minds, marriage is not only about children and I think a lot of people are missing this point. If having children is the main reason you want to get married, then you may want to weigh your options.
My story: My wife and I are both AS and my daughter is AS. We didn't do any selective abortion. My wife is the only woman in this world I found peace in getting married to and we didn't get married because we want to have children. Don't get me wrong, children are good but for us, our companionship is much more important. When we decided to procreate, we took the matter to God and found peace in doing it. We took our case to our maker and we have a testimony. I am not saying this would work for everyone. I am saying all these things because people focus so much on negativity and my stance has nothing to do with religion. There are many things that could bring unhappiness to a marriage or even create health issues. How many people do a complete health check on their spouse before marriage? Their are many people that are as good as a walking corpse medically (note I said medically) but as long as they are AA a lot of people are happy to marry them. There are so many AAs with terrible characters and other health problems other than genotype.
Every decision in life has a risk element. I think people who wants to go into marriage should sit down and decide what is really important to them. Good character or genotype? Would you take a 25% risk of SS and rather have a wonderful spouse or would you marry an AA and have a devilish spouse that would make your life miserable?
The choice is clear!
I don't care where you claim to be working, but please stop feeding the public with false myth.
Pray tell, how long can a AIDS patient who takes his/her drugs religiously have to live. You "mister working in a clinical setup" can you knowingly have canal knowledge with a AIDS patient?
There are sicklers out there who live a more healthier life than most people who think that they are healthy.
Sickle Cell Disease is a genetic disorder that can be well managed with good diet and modern medicine.
In case you are wondering I have been living with SCD for more than 30 years and I have achieved far more than your average Healthy person; academically, financially, and yes I have great reltionship with the opposite sex. Soon, by His Grace I will be tying the knot with my beloved.
PS I DO KNOW ABOUT THE CAPSLOCK BUTTON BUT CHOOSE THE BOLD LETTERS INSTEAD. ON THE CONTRARY FOLKS LIKE YOU ARE A MOCKERY OF CHRISTIANITY. IF MY LIFE IS STRANGE TO YOU BECAUSE YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND IT LET ME LIVE THE LIFE I HAVE DELIBERATELY CHOSEN.
YOU WANT TO TELL ME THAT AS A CHILD OF GOD IF I AM STUCK IN A DESERT AND THE ONLY WATER AVAILABLE TO DRINK IS POISONED THAT I SHOULD NOT BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD THAT SAYS THAT IF I DRINK ANY DEADLY THING IT SHALL NOT HURT ME AND DIE OF THIRST? BE IT AIDS OR CANCER OR WHATEVER ELSE IS DEADLY, THESE PEOPLE ARE LOVED BY GOD SAME WAY YOU ARE. YOU CALL IT A BAD PATH BUT I CALL IT A FAITH PATH. IT IS A DELIBERATE PATH FOR ME BECAUSE I HAVE DELIBERATELY CHOSEN TO TRUST GOD. YOU SHOULD TRY IT SOMETIME.
Ignorance is actually a Disease. what is on point? Have you ever been close to any AIDS paitient? How can you even compare a genetic disorder that can be well managed with good diet and modern medicine to AIDS that doesn't have a known cure?
Next you will tell me that AIDS is better than cancer, or diabetes, or Asthma or HBP. Please stop the stigma cos you are not even better. Who knows the one you or your family member is suffering from?
I AM NOT TRYING TO CONFUSE ANYONE. RATHER TO OFFER THEM A LIFELINE. A BETTER OPTION. A SWEETER DEAL. SIMPLY PUT, I OFFER THEM GOD AND JESUS CHRIST WHO DIED FOR THEM AND BY WHOSE STRIPES THEY WERE HEALED. THEY CANNOT DO WITHOUT MEDICATION BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW THE FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST AND THE CHRIST WHO FINISHED THE WORK. I THINK YOU WOULD DO WELL BY OFFERING THEM CHRIST AS WELL INSTEAD OF FURTHER BONDAGE AND PAIN.
MANY PEOPLE FAIL TO REALISE THAT TOO MUCH KNOWLEDGE OUTSIDE GOD IS DEADLY. IT IS TOO MUCH KNOWLEDGE THAT MADE SCIENTISTS TO START BELIEVING IN THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION AND WHY MANY OF THEM ARE ATHEISTS. GET GOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL FOLLOW.
WHAT IS SS THAT GOD CANNOT TAKE CARE OF? THE MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH! HE DECLARED THAT HE IS THE GOD OF ALL FLESH AND HE ASKED YOU AND I IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS TOO DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO DO JEREMIAH 32:27
YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO BELIEVE GOD OR DISBELIEVE HIM. CHOOSE WELL.
NATURE MAKES MISTAKES? WHO MADE NATURE? ISNT IT GOD? WHAT U SAID IN ESSENCE IS GOD MAKES MISTAKES! READ WHAT YOU WROTE AGAIN DOCTORS CAN NEVER CORRECT THE MISTAKES OF NATURE ONLY GOD CAN. WHY DO I SAY THIS? WITH GOD IT IS PERMANENT WITH A DOCTOR IT IS TEMPORARY. CHOOSE WHERE YOU BELONG. AND FYI I DO NOT TAKE MEDICATION NOT BECAUSE I CANNOT TAKE THEM IF I WISH TO BUT BECAUSE I HAVE COME TO REALISE WHO I AM AND HOW MUCH I AM LIKE GOD AS LONG AS I REMAIN IN HIM. BELIEVE IT OR NOT BUT THIS IS THE TRUTH.
YOU DO NOT KNOW ME BUT I WISH YOU DID. SINCE I TOOK THE DECISION TO BE FOR GOD 100%, FOR 15YRS I HAVE NEVER BEEN SICK NOR HAVE I BEEN HOSPITALIZED. HEADACHES ARE UNKNOWN TO ME, COLD AND CATARRH IS UNKNOWN TO ME. I AM NOT BRAGGING OR BOASTING IN MYSELF BUT TO THE GLORY OF GOD. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT BUT I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE GOD.
You are possibly the most ignorant christian jingoist that I've come across. It's your likes who tells their followers to hope on God for a cure when they have medically curable diseases. Only to visit a hospital outside town when they have headache. I hope you don't take any drugs including vitamin c. Don't ever visit a hospital at any point in time in your life.
But pls keep your belief private and don't impose it on another person. Don't confuse passive followers of this thread with your misinformations.
PLEASE, Please, Please, I don't usually post but I d take this exception.... This Poster is 100% wrong , Infact moderator should delete this post..
The possibility of giving birth to an SS is 1/4 i.e 25%, but the truth is that you can have 10 children and they d all be SS and you can have 20 and they all be AA but the idea is to eliminate the probability of having an SS so dont take the risk PLease
While i understand the place of faith, as well as testimonies of people being healed of one ailment or the other, I'd rather suggest that put your faith on the line, seek a miracle to change that person's health condition first before marrying him or her. Most people would have faith in order not to have SS children what about your spouse who is a carrier ? The same God who is able to prevent you from having SS Children don't you think he's more than able to change something as small as genotype ?
I could remember 2006 in Jos then, we had a program in church then and everyone was required to pray (mainly the prayer of faith, rejecting whatever that's in your life that you don't like) for themselves throughout the week, and there was the case of someone who had HIV and believed that it would leave, after praying he went to JUTH to confirm his healing and got his test result. His result was made available except that his name and other things that could reveal his identity was blurred out.
GOING INTO A BIBLICAL ARGUMENT WITH YOU WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME BECAUSE THE WORD OF GOD IS ACTUALLY FOOLISHNESS TO YOU. HOWEVER FROM HOSEA 4:6 WHICH YOU QUOTED ALLOW ME TO COMPLETE IT FOR YOU
"MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. BECAUSE YOU HAVE REJECTED KNOWLEDGE I WILL ALSO REJECT YOU, THAT YOU SHALL BE NO PRIEST TO ME SEEING YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE LAW OF YOUR GOD, I WILL ALSO FORGET YOUR CHILDREN."
TRY TO DESIST FROM QUOTING SCRIPTURE THAT SUITS YOU AND CUTTING OUT THE REST. GOD MEANT KNOWLEDGE OF HIS WORD! LACK OF THIS KNOWLEDGE LEADS HIS PEOPLE TO DESTRUCTION PERIOD. NOT KNOWLEDGE IN MAN.
FOR MALACHI 2:7 WHICH YOU ALSO QUOTED I ALSO SUGGEST YOU READ IT FROM VERSE 1 AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS SIMPLY A REPEATITION OF HOSEA 4:6.
FOR EXAMPLE FROM VERSE 6 IT READS " THE LAW OF TRUTH WAS IN HIS MOUTH AND INIQUITY WAS NOT FOUND IN HIS LIPS. HE WALKED WITH ME IN PEACE AND EQUITY AND DID TURN MANY AWAY FROM INIQUITY.
FOR THE PRIESTS LIPS SHOULD KEEP KNOWLEDGE AND THEY SHOULD SEEK THE LAW AT HIS MOUTH FOR HE IS THE MESSENGER OF THE LORD OF HOSTS.
WHAT IS THE LAW OF TRUTH = IT IS THE WORD OF GOD. THE TRUTH OF LIFE IS ALL IN GOD AND NOT MEDICINE. IF YOU WANT TO REMAIN ON THE LEVEL OF THE TEMPORARY GO ON AHEAD BUT I CHOOSE THE PERMANENCE OF GOD AND HIS TRUTH.
BALANCE YOUR PROVERBS SCRIPTURE WITH PSALM 111 V: 10 WHICH SAYS " THE FEAR OF THE LORD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM; A GOOD UNDERSTANDING HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS; HIS PRAISE ENDURES FOREVER.
GO GET UNDERSTANDING BROTHER!
Prenatal genotype screening can be done at these places in lagos;
Lagos, Central Laboratory
Plot 1397B Tiamiyu Svage Street, Victoria Island, Lagos
P.O.Box 75483 VI, Lagos, Victoria Island
Tel; 234 1 4616311, 4546160
Fax 234 1 2705995
High Rocks Hospital
38,Afariogun Street, Charity Area, Oshodi, Oshodi-Isolo, Lagos
08032343130 , 08058872319
Sickle Cell Foundation Nigeria
National Sicklecell Centre,
Opp Lagos University Teaching Hospital(LUTH),
Ishaga Road, Idi-araba,
3463 Surulere, Lagos
234-1-7621522 - Enquiries
234-803 584 6666 - Project Coordinator
234-810 000 2001 - PND/DNA Laboratory
234-810 000 2002 - Counselling Services
234-810 000 2003 - Reference Haemoglobin Laboratory
Hope this helps.