Let me have your views on this issue.
Yes, I agree that science does not understand all of medicine and diseases in particular especially viral diseases.
I agree with you on the ICE/HEAT age. Most of the proponents of the "we are the cause of Global Warming" had not been able to furnish us with data on the increase in man made green house gasses that have been responsible for the global warming. All they show us is the effects of Global Warming and not the cause. We know the polar ice are melting, we know that sea levels will rise and a lot of coastal cities will be flooded. Yes we have had cycles of rise and fall of sea level in accordance with weather the climate is warm or hot for millions of years.
Empirical data shows that percentage contribution of CO2 to green house effect on earth is 3.618% and out of that man made sources only contribute 3.225% of that, the remaining 97.75% is contributed by natural sources. Therefore the total contribution of green house gasses (as per CO2) to the atmosphere by all your burning of fossil fuel, bush burning, ( wild fires in USA, Europe and Australia contributes far more), etc , only comes to 0.117%. As i said earlier water vapour in the form of cloud cover and humidity in the air contributes 95.000% of all gasses responsible for global warming.
So lets reduce Global Warming - Drink less water.
@wirinet. there is no disease or bodily function for that matter that science completly understands. your basing your entire theory on prostitutes? wow! whether there clients are white black or chinese doesnt matter. yes some diseases and conditions do have a racial bias but there has been no proof that hiv is one of them. it has been proven time and time agian that men who are circumcised (no benifit in women being circumcised) have a far lower chance of spreading or contracting hiv or any std. the transmition methods only work if one of them has hiv. sharing a toothbrush with your wife wont cause hiv unless she has it besides proper hygene prevents sharing personal products. medical/tatoo/piercing practices prevent contaminated fluids and/or tissue being used and medical tools like needles and scaples are thrown away not reused, most countries require hiv possitive dr inform thier patients prior to treatment which leaves iv drug users (heroin addicts) and sex. btw i never once said i was part of the medical profession.
@vescucci. there were 5 ice ages in the last 2 million years. 11000 years ago, 45000 years ago, 125000 years ago, 690000 years ago and 1600000 years ago. study of sediment levels in the artic sea as well as in ice cores shows the recession and expansion of the ice sheets. there were times that the artic was lush. buttercup flowers have been found in the stomach contents of mamoths and prehistorc rhino fossils have been found in the artic circle
This thread is quite funny. What struck me is some people citing the fact that the ice age happened and the dinosaurs' extinction as refutation of the reality of climate change. And that our activities were not enough to stall or bring about the ice age or whatever. To these people, I will like to make some submissions and pose these questions.
First off, nobody ever said climate change was THAT dramatic. It is a real fear but not imminent.
Why do you distrust the same people who scream global warning but swallow their theories on the ice age, especially when they use the same empirical methods? Abi did you witness the ice age?
And this ice age. It gives the impression of an era. Maybe rightly so but I wonder if you can tell me what age there was before the ice age?
Someone said the global warning thing is intended to stifle the industrial growth of third world countries. Wtf? Have you ever heard of outsourcing? How many of the 'targeted' companies are owned by the third world people or their government. Pull your head out of your butt.
I've often wondered why there're billboards all over the place screaming AIDS is REAL. Now I know. Some people, and not just illiterates, still believe it's a hoax. A hoax to achieve what? The pope or Osama wants the world to have less sex? Please
I am glad you are in the medical field, at least i know your arguments are well informed.
But please do not put words in my mouth, i did not claim claim aids/hiv isn’t real, i am not competent to claim that. . What I sad is that it is a fad, and that the explanations not add up, and also that the information we are being bombarded with in the media does not correlate to what we experience on the ground. And i concluded that it is either the scientists do not fully understand the increase in Immune Deficiency Disorders that was noticed in the early 80,s or they are lying to us.
Sorry for the exaggerated the implication of saying that a prevalence rate of 5% would equate to 2 members of of your extended family. You are also exaggerating by saying an 5% infection rate would equate to two people in an extended family of 200, (that would be 1%). A prevalence rate of 5% would approximate 2 people in an extended family of 40. So you see our biases is telling on our calculations. But even at, that i can tell you that the prevalence rate of 5% is greatly exaggerated.
Before i arrived at the conclusion that AIDS/HIV is a fad, i had asked lots of people, especially friends in the medical profession and to me the statistics do not add up. Also i us to run a bar and knew loads of call girls, who hanged around my bar for customers, a lot of them had white clients. Believe me a lot of the clients do not like condoms. That was about 15 years ago. Till most of the girls are still kicking. Also I had this Lebanese friend of mine, he would sleep with at least three prostitutes in a day, no joke, he would pick one, finish with that one, then drop her and pick another one. And he did this regularly for the 2 odd years i knew him. He hated the use of condom. So one time when he was seriously sick and hospitalized, we all thought he had HIV, an HIV test was conducted and he came out negative. He recovered and he is still alive today. Believe me there are lots of people that have that kind of life style (Abacha for example). Now do not think i condone illicit sex, because most sexually transmittable deceases can be deadly. I am only after facts
So my postulations are that there must be other factors responsible for AIDS outside the sex, needle, etc, reasons we had been given. Even the reports had not shown us that commercial sex workers have a higher prevalence that the general population.
Even your admission that you know only six people that have tested positive to HIV despite the fact that you are involved in the medical profession show that the issue is being over exaggerated.
If as you said Sex, needles, biting, spitting (if it gets into the eyes) blood, bone, tissue and organ transplants, shared razors or toothbrushes is the prime source of HIV/AIDS, then i doubt if any of us you escape the virus.
Thank you jare.
Some of the things printed here are absolutely shocking, straight out of quackery and conspiracy theory handbooks. Someone was even ridiculous enough to mention "bombing the moon" and AIDs being a "fad".
Whereas, we should be thinking about how to protect vast stretches of our coastline and secure water supplies; here we are arguing if accepted scientific fact is a fraud.
a) Wirinet was claiming aids/hiv isn’t real and claiming that because of the idea it effects people defiantly proves it isn’t real.
b) People know and have known that chicken has to be cooked above 165 degrees Fahrenheit for decades
c) Viruses like the one causing the bird flu, the current swine flu, the swine flu for 20 years ago, the bat flu from 45 years ago, the annual flu, the common cold and so on are constantly mutating. A flu vaccine for the annual flu of 2008 will not prevent the annual flu in 2009, 2010, 2011 or any other year. This is what makes viruses so difficult to treat.
d) The panic of the epidemic and pandemic flus are cause by the media trying to sensationalize the news for more viewers and they are notorious for doing so and by people with lack of basic information on the disease. Your comment on staph proves it. With the exception of MERSA, people in the west think nothing of staph and it is actually the most common infection in preschool aged children while here the “journalists” marked it as a STD.
e) Global warming causes global cooling. Since you wish to “educate me” why not educate yourself on the deep ocean conveyor. Global warming causes it to stall; when it stalls we have an ice age.
f) The “bombing” of the moon is not bombing like in war. The “bombing” was nothing more than a man made meteor (metal instead of rock and ice) crashing into the surface to create a dust cloud to see if there is water on the moon. This is to see if we can live on the moon. And btw people figured out the moon effects the climate on earth during the Babylonian empire like 6,000 years ago.
And as for you wirinet:
Anyone with a 3rd grade education knows what aids is. A non naturally occurring collapse of your immune system which leads to the body being overrun by a variety of infectious diseases (viral, bacterial and/or fungal) that can lead to eventual death. Hiv is the main cause of aids, autoimmune disorders are commonly miss diagnosed as aids in underdeveloped countries for either lack of knowledge of the disease or the whole “I’m African and that’s a white man’s disease I can’t get it “ bull poo. Any transmit ion of bodily fluids can cause a transfer of the infection. Sex, needles, biting, spitting (if it gets into the eyes) blood, bone, tissue and organ transplants, shared razors or toothbrushes. How if the us has over 300 million people and only .2% of the population has AIDS does that translate to 2 in every extended family? Even in Nigeria with a 5% infection rate for there to be two in every family your family would have to consist of 200 people. Besides considering the stigma attached to it, no one would tell anyone about it. How many personally do I know have HIV or aids- 6 and only because medical reasons led to me knowing their status (surgeries, work related injuries) and one of whom died a few years ago. Your comment on 3rd world statistics, if you noticed the precise statistics I gave were the us and the “western world”. Then a global number where did I include precise numbers on a 3rd world country?
@Beaf. Don't be discouraged by nincompoops who only believe what they want to hear or what is sensational enough.
All frauds have one thing in common. Someone or some people will benefit at the expense of someone else or some other people. Reconcile this with climate change being a fraud if you can. Even without the apparent evidence that supports climate change it makes sense theoretically. O3, or Ozone is highly unstable. The layer of it is very thin and doesn't build up nearly as fast as it's been depleted. And we're the reason why it's depleting. The polar regions will become tropical some day but you won't be here to suffer the consequences. Your descendants will. But I guess you could care less
Bollocks to climate change!
Al-Gore's bank account and company has seen a sharp increase since he started this green-wash rubbsih.
Lets face it, Climate change is another way of stifling the growth of developing countries like India, Brazil et al.
If these so called countries who scream climate change mean what they say, then let them take the bull by the horn and stop manufacturing 4 x 4's.
Do you know how many jobs will be lost if people know about the Global warming scam? Any old scientist can get funding for their research now if the include global warming in their proposal. The reason why the change is so dramatic is because we were not here to witness the ice/heat age. Also most of these global warming scientist use scare tactics in their papers to terrify us making the government tax us even more. Its a scam. The world froze and heated up without human intervention. Humans beings just like the dinosaurs may become extinct and other creatures may arise and dominate. Its a cycle.
The scientific consensus is that Global Warming is a fact. There are a few crackpot scientists eg Robert Balling, John Christy, Richard Lindzen, Patrick Michaels and Fred Singer. As well their sponsors, those whose businesses would be affected eg ExxonMobile (oil company naturally).
It is only in Nigeria that we can think climate change is a fraud. We tend to always be a decade or so behind times. Why?
In the rest of the World, believing there is no climate change is almost on par with believing the Earth is flat.
Glaciers are receding at a pace that is unkown, even the one closest to us (Kilimanjaro). By some scientific projections, at the rate the Arctic ice is melting, it would be totally gone in 70 years. In Siberia, the permafrost is also thawing at an unprecedented rate.
I can only laugh in pain when I hear people call Global Warming a hoax.
I believe its a big fraud. We humans think that we are so special and that what we are doing is enough to destroy earth but what about the ice age and the melting age? there were no humans then but the earth froze up and heated up on its own. I think this is just a cyclical heating and cooling process. Also we underestimate the power of the sun. We humans are not that special and may become extinct like other creatures before us.
We have seen several of these money spinning alarms blown in Nigeria every once in a while. You all remember the Staphylococcus scare that came from these trado-medical doctors. What about when Aloe Vera made waves round the world. It was like if you weren't consuming Aloe Vera in a form or another, you would soon die.
When Thabo Mbeki became President of South Africa, he said it that HIV AIDS was not the main immune deficiency syndrome affecting his people. But when the condom manufacturers and ARV drug makers realized they were about to lose their greatest market, they turned to their media who made Mbeki into an ignorant illiterate monkey who everyone should run away from. But we all know Thabo Mbeki is no fool. The ignorance of the masses would have overwhelmed him if he hadn't withdrawn that statement.
Let's be careful what we believe from the Western Media. There was a time the WHO called on all nations towards the eradication of Malaria and Mosquitoes, by the time every country had contributed efforts to this, they eradicate the mosquitoes in their area and finally said they'd found out it wasn't possible to eradicate Mosquitoes in the world. Even the countries that wanted to continue on their own were banned from using the chemical of choice, DDT for many reasons their research turned up. In addition to that, I stumbled upon a document which showed that Mosquitoes were even helpful in checking population of 3rd world countries.
I sign out jare. Oyibo sef don tire me.
First i would like to thank Nex for educating agathamari. Most people run their brains on emotions and their emotions are controlled by western media, so much so that they are not ready to use their brains and look at reality.
I do not want to educate you on the meaning of AIDS, but you should embark on some research your self and do not restrict yourself to CNN, WHO reports, and other western media. Also read opposing views so you can get a more informed balanced report.
But let me do a little educating;
AIDS is not a disease in itself, it is a condition whereby the body has lost its ability to defend itself, and believe me there are lots of diseases that can lead to AIDS, even untreated common diseases like Syphilis and Gonorrhea has be known to bring about AIDS. Other known causes are excessive drug abuse( both hard drug and prescription drugs) AIDS has been with us since the dawn of medicine. The controversy is whether there is a virus called HIV, causing the increase in AIDS we are witnessing, especially in poverty stricken areas, and the properties and mode of transmission of this disease.
There are many reputed doctors that disagree with the media promoted common view of HIV and AIDS. Some believe that poverty and poor nutrition are a greater factor than sex. others believe that substance abuse and untreated sexually transmitted deceases are more of a factor than sex alone.
So what i am saying is that the whole sex/hiv/AIDS relationship is being blown out of proportion.
When i say i know only two people that have died of AIDS, you should know that i mean people I personally know. Two ladies i knew, one actually worked for me.
I still asked how many people do you know personally that have died of AIDS. With the scary picture being painted by WHO/ western media, there should be at least 2 in every extended family.
Look all the statistics being rolled out by WHO are at best guessed estimates, how did they get the statistics of third world countries, who have no data.
when we say something is a fad, we're not saying it doesn't exist. We're saying it being for more exaggerated by a million times than it really is by some particular people who have something to gain from its propularity, and the ideology is being bought en masse by the gullible public.
Did you not know how dangerous bird flu was when it was in Asia. The Western Media presented Bird Flu just like Ebola. When Bird Flu got to France though, and the French saw the effect it would have on their economy, they revealed to the world that chicken was safe to consume as long as it was cooked above 100 degrees Celcius. So where's the almighty bird flu today? Just a fad.
Yesterday it was Global Cooling, today It's global warming, and the next decade, they will be alarmed that the Global Climate is Too Steady.
Are not the same people who scream about global warming all the time the same ones who endorse bombing of the moon by their government? Where was Al Gore and all those silly Green Peace clowns? Don't they know that the moon affects earth's weather? At least the rising of sea tide for one.
Abeg Climate Change na scam.
Read the articles here
and Watch this please
Do your own research. Don't trust everything you hear on CNN, BBC etc
Regarding AIDS/HIV read this
How come we never hear about these scientists/professors/doctors/Nobel Peace Prize winners on the main stream TV/Radio/Newpapers. It's like their point of view don't exist. This is what woke me up to realise that the media is not as fair and balanced as they claim.
Again Do your own research (preferably on the Internet). Don't trust everything you hear on CNN, BBC etc
i use to think it's real , but then i had to review my thought wen i read a book by Micheal crichton titled "STATE OF FEAR". try read am, it will give u an objective view of the whole thing . and no1 should tell me that it's just a novel, all scientific details inside na fact. if u dey read Micheal crichton books u go understand wetin i dey talk .
God bless you jare
i do not deny the fact that the climate has definately changed e.g dry season and rainy season are less clearly defined, more matural disasters, but the fact are that these are part of natural cyclical changes that occur on earth. for example there has been no concrete evidence as to why dinosaurs were wiped out of the earth. Things happen. So what if the Lake chad has disappeared?
we humans think too highly of ourselves. The earth will adjust itself no matter how much we abuse it.
there are references that prove that the global temperature 200 years ago(before the industrial revolution) and now are practically the same. kindly check this out.
when i said hard facts, i meant HARD FACTS.
@Tolulop001-There's nothing like blind ignorance, even with google at your finger tips. You're reading fiction and canvassing that global warming isn't occuring, where exactly are you based geographically? I can give you a few excercises to carry out for yourself. Even in my lifetime I have experienced subtle but obvious changes in climate in my locality. Have you seen the Lake Chad 30yrs ago and have you seen it TODAY?? You amuse me.
You need to read Michael Crichton's novel ' State of Fear' ( fiction but based on HARD FACTS)
at least google it. i was shocked as well but the fact is that there is no such thing!
Global warming is a fraud but nobody wants to accept so they keep pouring millions to fund the farce.
face it people.
Global warming and AIDS are fads, they are money spinners for western nations and NGOs in third world countries. I am not saying burning CO2 does not contribute to the over all climate dynamics, but the effects is infinitesimal, the whole issue is being blown out of proportion. Water vapor is said to contribute 95% of the green house effect on earth while carbon dioxide (both man made and natural) only contributes 3.62%. Read the report on green house gasses here - http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
AIDS to me is like religion, i would rather believe Jonah slept inside a whale for three days than believe the way HIV/AIDS is being presented. I had studied the topic since 1999, and till today i can not make sense of it. If i try to write the contradictions the tell us about AIDS, this post would be too long. I am not saying that some peoples are not dieing of some decease but the information on AIDS do not make sense and there are too many contradictions.
They will tell us a wife can have AIDS but the husband can be free and vice - versa, same with mother and child. If you take the drugs you can live longer but they do not know how long you will live without the drug. They will say the window period can be between 2 to 20 yrs. It is either they are guessing and do not understand the disease or they are lying.
Why is it that AIDS is killing mainly the poor people, you will think that AIDS would be more of a problem in urban cities than in remote villages but the reverse is the case.
Malaria kills far more and is far more infectious than the so called AIDS, it kills millions of Black Africans every year mostly children, but the western governments are not interested in that, The spend billions on AIDS instead. They will tell us that 5% of Nigerians are HIV positive, please tell me how many people you know that have died of AIDS. I only know 2 and that was in the 80,s. Most Black Africans have malaria at least once a year and if one quarter of the money spent on AIDS is spent on malaria, Africa would be a better place, as Malaria wreck havoc to productivity.
AIDS is the only disease they are still trying to convince us that is real.
As I said in another thread, Global Warming is another fad, that the western media is selling to the whole world. The sell us fads periodically so as to milk us, if it is not Y2k, it will be the wonders of Free Trade( meanwhile they close their markets), then they move on to Democracy or even economic systems like SAP. We had the AIDS Fad and we thought we will all be dead by the year 2000 AD.
Most Nigerians love watching CNN and reading Time or Newsweek and then catch on on the latest Fad to show our degree of sophistication. These people feel that others who do not believe everything the western media spew out are bush and uncivilized.
Climate change is caused mainly by periodic movements of the earth around the sun. you can check this site for more info.
They should provide us with data on how much green house gasses has increased in the atmosphere in the last 100 years.
From secondary school science in my days, the tell us that the atmosphere is made up of 78% Nitrogen, 21% oxygen and about 0.3% CO2, and the other gasses make up the remaining. I do not think they are teaching a different ratio today.
I like this quote from the above link, so i am adding it;
Of course climate change is real, but manmade "global warming" isn't. Just recently it was exposed that in Antarctica (or the south pole, I forgot), there has been a reverse in the melting of ice. This is a natural trend, the earth goes through periods to where its colder and it goes through periods where its warmer. I'm not saying all of this global warming stuff is crap, but I believe the vast majority of it is.
Let's be real here. Were the dinosaurs driving fast cars and flying in private jet made in coal powered factories before the climate changed on them?
Nobody is saying the climate won't change, it will. Just like the weather will change and the Season will change, climate will change. It's natural. But what I can't stand is for that endangered species consuming Al Gore to tell me we're the ones causing it. We're definitely not.
We've seen this all before. When the western nations need money they don't deserve, they spread lies and embark on a new project: slavery, colonization, world war, space travel, missile defence system, cold war, world power, foreign aid, european union, millenium bug, WMDs, global warming.
Recently, Al Gore asked Obama to invest $400 billion on "Green" electric grid. Something that would not normally cost more than $30 billion.
Global warming is natural, but some people have hijacked it to milk the world of money.
Remember the millenium bomb, do you honestly believe that software engineers could not have taken a computer and set the date to the year 00? They saw the results were nothing serious, but they needed to make money and they had the support of their media and government. They did swerve Nigeria of a couple of billions through that scam. Now viewicte come again.
The green economy with green jobs, green factories, green cars, green power and a green government will only put some green in the pockets of some countries.
have you ever bothered to know what the scientific body thinks about global warming and man's activity?
Go and research more about global; warming before you can make any statement here.
i have this link for you.The Global warming lie that asserts that man is destroying the earth thereby causing warming is a political project.Yes we are depleting the natural resources and of course we have to.Because we need them to survive.But Al Gore wears the face of a liar.He knows little or nothing about climate science.The western governments preaching this new creed have refused to listen to the body of evidence coming from the scientific community that we are not guilty of warming the earth and i guess you are one of there converts too.
read for yourself
You don't form opinions based on what the Media and Al Gore and co tells you.
Global warming is real for sure.But there is no catastrophe about to happen.
The proponents of global warming as been caused by human activity rank in the same level as those who sold a lie to the world that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of mass destruction.Now we know they lied.
Maybe you do not know the depths of international politics and intrigue primarily driven by the Illuminati.
Go and study and forget all those things you are saying.Are you a climate scientist?
Do you realise that most authorities in Climate and earth scienc disagree with the notion that man is the primary cause of global warming?
infact the article below reveals that there has not been any recorded increase in the temperature of the earth since the turn of the century inspite of the so called sins of China and the rest of the industriliased world.
that is the real question - I read state of fear by Micheal Crichton - while some have pooh poohed the book - i believe he makes a very good case for what can be called the influence of popular science/conventional wisdom - we have chosen to believe that global warming is man made and this has guided our actions
come to think of it - if that is the case, what led to the end of the ice age?
omg i cant believe this topic is here,
argued through the weekend over it
im currently on a project involving it.
@topic IT IS REAL
even though the earth is self-renewing, we are damaging it
at a speed that is frightening, and it wont renew fast enough
i cant imagine how this world would be 40yrs in the future *shivers*
if we keep behaving the way we do now.