We Christians believe that our well said prayers to God in the name of Jesus will be surely answered. Now does God answer a Muslims prayer though he doesnt pray in Jesus Name?
We Christians believe that our well said prayers to God in the name of Jesus will be surely answered. Now does God answer a Muslims prayer though he doesnt pray in Jesus Name?
It's called blind faith, same as yours. One must first believe that God spoke to Mohammed or Paul or Matthew or Mark. Once you believe that the messenger is telling the truth about talking to God, the contents of the message is irrelevant. Just look at all the gen)ital mutilations taking place today. Do you believe that an ordinary mother would allow someone to mutilate the p)enis of her newborn baby boy? The thing is unconscionable. But it is done regardless, because the mothers believe that God told someone to tell them that. The same thing works for Jesus. Once God talks, the message must make sense somehow, even if it sounds completely ridiculous.
Even if you guys drag this stuff till 20yrs to come, there will never be an agreement. So why dont you hold onto yours and i hold onto mine if you re really sure of ur faith. Cos the last time i checked, man cannot change the state of another's beliefs unless it has been ordained by God himself. It would be fruitless arguing this all day long.
See,One thing you should accept is that as you are reading these lines you can never become a christian and you can never understand anything Christian. It is true that some "Christians fornicate and commit adultery.Now we Christians know why some Christians still practice fornication and adultery. Even if we strive to let you know why, you would never understand because we are just two parallels on the opposite axis, we have two different religions.
Yes David, Nwando, etc in Christendom: Who gave up the Ghost on the Cross; God or who? The man who asked the question, deserves a resounding answer. Who huh, huh, huh? I know Pligrim.1 is attending to end of semester matters in Ilu Oba, so she can give us her tangential take on this one. David, are you not busy the same way? Go study and also be ready for winterrim.
@Nwando: I am very carnal. I agree. In my head. May God Almighty forgive me. Unlike those who may not be carnal, but they fornicate and/or perform adultery.
Whats your thought? To not talk about it, but do it? Or be tempted to doing it, but never, but only talk about it? Which one is better? We are not talking about perfection here. Nor are we talking about excellency. We are talking about striving towards excellence?
I quoted the book of John sir and you are crying?
as a mere mortal, you do not have the right to tell us what God can and cannot do. Unless of course if u created urself. The inability to make sense of Allah's disconnect with those he loosely regards as his slaves should not be used to antagonise the bible.
@davidylan: What is so interesting about you christians, really is that you will quote, corinthian, timothy, and the likes, to explain in unexplainable. Supporting your argument with very porous concept.
I am glad that I am not you. As a child, I knew with all my heart that God did not walk among men, in any form! And as i grew older and up to the time i had the time as a senior student, in high school, I became strongly convinced that Jesus was never how the christians made him up. I am glad that my mother is out of that bind bending crowd. It is the first step in recovering the people I love from certain peril. InshaAllah, you and others are on the way to recovery.
When you talk about Jesus, you can use the Gospel he preached about the places, in those three years of his ministry! You always result to using the, 'according tos,' and disgustingly Paul. David, o po ju yen loo now.
Give me real stuffs and stop this swiss cheese on bagel. they all have a resemblance of donuts. You see through it and its shameful
The man who laid down his life, if he is sincere should not have yelled, ' my Lord, my Lord, why has thou forsaken me?' Please tell me, if he is God or Lord, why was he addressing himself in that quote just now? I will make it clear to you again: Why will God be saying, 'my God, my God, why has thou forsakene?' The question is this, was he talking to himself or what?
david you know better, those who talk to themselves are considered dellusional, deranged or crazy. God can never be subjected to that kind of convoluted situation. never.
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Sir, you are right that your god is different from my God. The big difference is in His undying love for us His children. Your own god does not have such a capacity to love you . . . no wonder while my God sees me as His precious son yours sees you as a mere slave.
Is it any wonder that you all claim to pray and yet your god never seems to be answering? Perhaps he is so completely above you his slaves that he does not even bother to hear you when you speak.
God is not just a God of mercy but He is the very embodiment of love. The very trait that your own god is clearly incapable of showing.
@Davidylan: Why would God have to be like you and me? He did not know the qualitative conditions that He had subjected man to, when He created man? Wow. No wonder your God is different from my God. Yours have to experience all these human frilities, in order to be justice or merciful.
My God is different and completely above all the subjective conditions of His creation, including Jinn and man! Yet He is capable of forgiving by giving unmitigated Mercy. And He will punish, if He will, whoever of His creation that He wishes to punish, if they disobey His commands.
Yet He allows a wayout, a process of reevaluations and then charting the part to correct past mistakes and seeking mercies and forgiveness. My Lord Allah loves His creation to return or turn back from destructive ways into a path which leads to success.
Have you ever heard of any King that turns himself to suffer like any of his subjects/ slaves, in order that he may be a just king? Thats just between mankind. How do you think The Creator will turn Himself to go through the same filth that His creation, goes through, in order to be just? He Himself is mercy and He Himself is Justice. If He decides to be merciful towards any evil creation, man, who on earth or in heavens, can ask Him or challenge His decision? He is the True Giver of all things. He hold sway over all things!
Who can challenge Him and why would He have to go through human difficulties to be merciful?
lol you quote the scriptures and then promptly use your human reasoning to rationalise things that can only be discerned by the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
When you talk about "basic understanding" are you refering to the understanding that 2 + 2 = 4?
Sorry sir - Isaiah 55: 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Back to the verse that makes you stumble; Indeed NO man hath seen the Lord . . . 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Take a good look at what Paul infers in that verse in 1 Timothy . . . he categorically confirms that Jesus Christ indeed was and is GOD only manifesting in human flesh. God in all His glory cannot die, He needed to become like me and you, to be hungry like you and i, to feel pain, to suffer thirst just like you and me and to finally shed His blood on the cross that you and me may have eternal life.
Yes no man hath seen the Lord but we shall see Him one day when He comes on the wings of the clouds to take us home. Remember the visit of the 3 angels to Abraham? No man hath never seen angels but Abraham could correctly discern that he had been visited by angels in human form.
but do you also have the basic understanding of the scriptures? if you had basic understanding you would know that "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him"John 1:18. if you were on the earth in the New Testament and you had to see and know God, who would it be, Jesus Christ. why? now use ur dumb brain or the holy spirit to know why. Post after post you are gradually showing the hogwash that you are.
@Pligrim.1: Today's post from David, at 12;16;45 am, Jesus was proclaimed as God! Therefore, you have God the father (1st God). Jesus the son and messiah of Israel and son of man as prophet, is God (2nd God). Will somebody provide the third God, maybe in the Holy ghost, which bears witness along with the two above and then came on earth after Jesus had left? Am just giving my dearest sister, a very vivid picture of what is murky , to her yet.
David. You concort the biggest fantasies. You have a show on the strip in Las Vegas? The Mirage or any of those places are looking for crowd drawing shows. Maybe, you need to be in downtown. thats where you can get the ordinary folks. Wow.
David, the pot calling the kettle black! You are making things up as you go along. Yes it is freedom of choice. The choice to go to hell fire by reading the Book upside down. Especially after its been worded and in time a different meaning emerges. thats what you have in the Bible today. Truly a freedom of choice. You think you can plead this freedom of choice with God, in the day of Judgement? David, check yourself, before you wreck yourself!
That is the beauty of christianity. You are allowed the freedom of choice. . . to read the bible and form your own oppinion based on the interpretation of the Holy Spirit or your carnal, unsaved soul.
You dont have the basic understanding of the scriptures so your cries of "this is entirely a new doctrine" is hogwash at best. Start from trying to understand the pslams before jumping to read the book of John. We all started from psalm 23 too.
Back to addressing your penchant of just quoting scriptures and interpreting them based on your poor level of comprehension . . . The same Jesus Christ who made the statement "Father into thy hands i commend my Spirit . . ." was the very same one who made the following statements:
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Care to explain what Jesus Christ was trying to convey in John 14 to us o thou man of immense "reasoning"?
Hey u just slapped your very own mouth.
I don't need to write much like u do,so as to delude fellow Nlanders into believing your self acclaimed belief which is entirely urs and your own creation. This is entirely a new doctrine i'm seeing. You are pissing me off. you are just another sick fanatic. now i wonder your frequent bashing of muslims.
Who did Jesus comit his spirit to if he was "ALMIGHTY GOD" "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hand[/b]s i commend [b]my spirit"-----------Luke 23:46a "and having said thus, he gave up the ghost", so 'GOD' gave up the ghost? fool!
That is where you shoot yourself in the foot. You cry "christian reason" and yet all the best you can come up with is "human reasoning" that does not even fall within acceptable boundaries of human intelligence.
- I will not belabour the issue. It has been proven on this threads so many times over that i will assume you have seen them and if you as is usual with hypocrites and unbelievers pretend never to have seen them, you can be rest assured i will not cast my pearls before swine by attempting to "prove" anything to you.
1. Jesus Christ IS GOD! Please read the book of John
2. We all cry about God being omnipresent and omniscient . . . it stands to reason that He could have been on the cross and at the same time in paradise. By "human reasoning", Christ could not have been in "paradise" since the ascension did not take place until well after the resurrection:
- Christ died the same night as the theif on the cross . . . could He not then have been in paradise with the thief that same night?
- If God is omnipresent (Indeed He is) then He could be on earth and at the same time in paradise, again fulfilling His promise to the thief on the cross.
Where then is your confusion?
No sir, the bible indeed is inspired by God . . . 1 Timothy 3:16. The bible indeed will show you what you need to know even if it is one word from one verse.
BUT the bible is meaningless gibberish to the unsaved, the lost and those who do not have the Holy Spirit in them to lead and guide. For . . . the letter (which you gloat over) killeth but the spirit, it giveth life.
The essence of the bible can never be understood by applying academic knowledge to it. At best you are just groping in darkness, grasping for straws and inconsistencies where there are none.
You demand "scriptural proof" and yet you have no understanding of those very scriptures. It is just like a child demanding "scientific proof" that indeed oxygen is a gas when he has no literate understanding of chemistry.
Enjoy gloating in the dark for well hath the scriptures spoken of people like you Matthew 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
You are not i search of the truth and that is why you will continue tripping your feet all over John 3:13.
Did you read the statement of Jesus Christ Himself as quoted in Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.? Did i put that word "paradise" in the book of Luke? Maybe you can carry John 3:13 to Christ and accuse Him of lying and misusing words on the cross.
Infact you are the noise maker, twisting urself up. now do you refute this still[b] "And no man hath ascended up to heaven , but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is from heaven." John 3:13[/b] God Forbid! Then what is this "paradise" you are always sounding? how is it referred to in the bible? Christian Reason!!!
1. It is not a matter of "good manners", its is certain you asked the "question" NOT to seek for answers but trying to appear smart. There is no hide and seek with the bible. . . paradise and heaven are 2 different places. That the bible chooses to use both words uninterchangeable should be enough evidence.
2. The mighty prophets of old are in paradise. True. you can choose to hit your head on the wall, it doesnt change the truth.
Sir, i avoid no questions. The mighty prophets of old are in paradise. Depending on your level of spiritual understanding people do say that paradise is slightly lower than heaven and that we dont all really get to heaven until after the rapture. I tend to disagree though but God knows better.
Ever read about the translation of Enoch? Elijah never saw death but was transported to heaven in a chariot of fire.
Look at the story of Lazarus and the rich man, Jesus Christ mentions Lazarus being in the bossom of Abraham in paradise.
why dont you answer it if you know. it seems you dont so the only way to cover your ignorance is to vent anger on me. The question is a rational one and not impossible to answer. and u calling me a detractor? were r ur proofs? And i wont open another thread to satisfy u.
why are you escaping my question?
Really? the problem is not how "well known" the miracle is but IF there were any witnesses besides the lies of mohammed to back this up. Who are those who saw this "splitting of the moon", where and when?
It seems very few muslims believe this fraud anyway as you rarely hear of it except when they are feverishly searching for just about anything to show that mohammed too could perform "magic" err sorry miracles.
All the miracles Jesus Christ performed where for a specific purpose . . . what was the purpose of "splitting the moon"? If it ever occured, how did the splitting of the moon heal the sick, raise the dead, free the oppressed, provide for the poor?
We dont forget anything . . . we read the bible where the exploits of these mighty men are written so we cant have forgotten about them.
They are in heaven today . . . everyone is judged by the standards of righteousness and godliness available during their lifetime.
In the old testament, all they needed was to sacrifice animals once a yr and obey God's commandments.
That is uncessary. I wont proof a thing though I have a number. Be bold enough to investigate yourself. Be true to yourself and do some soul-searching. Go back in history and be able to comfirm to yourself that it was Mohammad that introduced Allah and not that he 'redefined' Allah. It should not be a hard thing for you to do some reaserach into archealogy, writings, cultures etc, should it?
Well as far as i am concerned, i know that there is no other name in heaven, on earth and even under the earth by which man shall be saved, save for the name of JESUS CHRIST.Also, no one cometh to the Father except by HIM. This implies that the only ticket to answered prayers is not just asking in that name, but also believing that whatsoever you have asked in that Name, shall be granted unto you.
Islam is entering even unexoected places. In Nigeria, it is now in Igboland. It is also with the Calabar people and so many ethnic groups. In the west, the white people are acceptingit in drove. The Jews are also accepting it, in and out of palestine, etc. If you guys live long enough, InshaAllah, you will. And you relax enough to accpet guidance from your Creator, you will bacome muslims. The greatest of Islam, in the time of Muhammad (as), became one of the strongest as soon as he accepted it. that man was Umar Al Khattab, (ra), the second calipha.
I prayed to Allah to make my mother a Muslim. Alhamdulillah, she left christianity and became a muslim at age 80 na dcounting. I am praying that many will come to islam, from my contact with them. Alhamdulillah, my Lord Allah is making it possible. Yet His mercy is abounding in my life. Where is the problem, david, Pligrim, etc? God is the Creator of all and He can accept or reject any prayer. No one can challenge Him. Truly, He is Kabiyesi.
@Davidylan: Have you heard Oba a joke aiye, Oba asake orun ( The God that gives inclusively to everyone on earth, The God that gives selectively to the selected in heaven)? God hears and and if He wills accept, He accepts the prayers of whoever. Be that one, a believer in Him or not. The Hindu prays to God, but through their lords and supposed saviours. So do the other Idolators. The Onishongos and others of Yoruba religions, pray to God, also through their lors and supposed saviours. You know where am going with this? Am here now; The christians pray to God, also through their lord and saviour Jesus Christ, son of Mary.
However, the muslims pray to God directly and for sure not through any medium, be it known or unknown.
As to Allah being a god from the 360 some gods of the pagan makkans, please proof it to me. Proof to me that I am worshipping a preislamic god. When it was the mission of Muhammad to actually destroy idolatory. Why don't i have the image or idol in my house. okay, in my heart?
On a different note, have you sen this www.lordsgym.com thing? Its very shameful. No wonder they will sell religion for measly price.
@Pligrim.1: God is not a Yoruba word. It is English. Oluwa, Olorun, Olodumare, etc, are Yoruba words as names or descriotions/attributes of the Creator of all things. You are a Yoruba Woman. All of the above are factual statements. You are not an English woman. Therefore, I will like to ask you, since you had asked Mukina, because she is a muslim, to tell or show you, a single miracle from 'Allah,' please, show us a single miracle from Olorun, Oluwa, etc.
I ask you this, because before you became a christian, you had and continues to be a Yoruba. You have been a Yoruba longer, than you a christian. Moreover, is Jesus yorubas' Olorun, Olodumare, etc? Really, in Yoruba chritianity, is Jesus Olorun, Olodumare, Oluwa, etc? If your heart tells you that Jesus is not it, please be sincere enough to tell us. We are not in your heart, but you do have conscience?
Apart from all the miracles that Allah in Arabic, an old language, God in English, a very young language, He through Muhammad(as), put forward Qur'an. He challenges Jinn and man to produce a book of likeness to it, the Qur'an. He even says, so as to make it easier, a single chapter! No one has been abke to do it. Your arab chritian community can take the challenge, without being shotdown, from the satrting gate. Dr. Anis Sorossh, a palestinian christian, in the US, foolishly after 911 produced what he called Furqan. I saw a copy, in the ramadan of 01 or 02. Right there in the Masjid, At Taqwa, in Brooklyn, the Guinea Conakry muslims, the largest single block of the congregation, derailed its as unworthy of the cahallenge. He patterned its style after the Bible writing.
You forgot that Olodumare, in Yoruba, is the same in God in English and definately the same Allah in Arabic! Therefore, Arabic being the oldest of the three, because the Yorubas came from Arab penisula,( learn Yoruba history before you challenge me on this one), and english being the youngest, Allah is most likely His true name.
this is the typical frightened and insecure response you get from muslims seeking to excuse the fact that mohammed, for all his pretended prophethood, could not perform EVEN 1 MIRACLE!
Miracles are not the "epitome of answering prayers" . . . but God said . . . John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
1. Is performing of miracles the attribute of false prophets? Because mohammed was powerless to perform just one?
2. Was Jesus really refering to false prophets in the verse your wrongly quote?
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Jesus Christ gives each and every christian the gifts of miracles . . . read back to John 14:12. For greater works than He did shall we do (we that believeth on His name . . . not just every tom, dick and mohammed).
However . . . Romans 11:29 (For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
That you backslide tomorrow does not mean that those gifts are automatically lost. . . read again Mathew 7:22 . . . Jesus Christ was saying in essence, the most important thing is the salvation of your soul and Holy Living . . . miracles are the rights of every christian but is not a direct passport to heaven. that you can raise the dead does not mean you will make heaven if you dont live a life pure, Holy and acceptable unto God.
In no way was Mathew 7 refering to false prophets.
Only those who have something to hide and are unsure about their very religion are forever seeing "attacks", "insults" and "combative" replies. I have not made an ignorant statement . . . chanting "there is no deity . . ." bla bla bla is no better than chanting magic incantations as mere words/letters cannot save ur soul.
Belief in that phrase makes you muslims but does not deliver you from sin and the bondage of islamic oppression.
Where in the quran did Allah promise you eternal life in the hereafter? Where did he promise you salvation from sin?
Rather Allah has promised you life as a slave in janat that even his own prophet on his death bed was not sure of making . . . and you accuse me of making shallow statements?
But i am worth more than the wing of a mosquito to my Saviour . . . Luke 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
That is how important i am to God . . .
now whom did Allah refer to as slaves for all their prayers . . . and rituals?
" 1. Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Al-Mushrikûn,were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence.
2. A Messenger (Muhammad ()) from Allâh, reciting (the Qur'ân) purified pages [purified from Al-Bâtil (falsehood, etc.)].
3. Containing correct and straight laws from Allâh.
4. And the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not until after there came to them clear evidence. (i.e. Prophet Muhammad () and whatever was revealed to him).
5. And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allâh, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give Zakât: and that is the right religion.
6. Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur'ân and Prophet Muhammad ()) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikûn will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
7. Verily, those who believe [in the Oneness of Allâh, and in His Messenger Muhammad ()) including all obligations ordered by Islâm] and do righteous good deeds, they are the best of creatures.
8. Their reward with their Lord is 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (Gardens of Eternity), underneath which rivers flow, they will abide therein forever, Allâh Well-Pleased with them, and they with Him. That is for him who fears his Lord.
and Suratul Al Kahf verse 107
""Verily! Those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous deeds, shall have the Gardens of Al-Firdaus (the Paradise) for their entertainment"
Two examples out of many in the Holy Quran . where Allah Promised Muslims . .Muslims who observed the 5 pillars of Islam steadfastly and where pure in heart.
I don't see contradiction in the bold sentences. It simply states that not all that call Him Lord does His will; those that call Him lord but do not do the will of His father are workers of iniquity. So the important thing is not just calling him lord, Christ, savior or weather you pray through him, the most important thing is to do the will of His father or the teachings of Jesus.
Jesus taught us how to pray in order to be heard.
Think about the prayer that Jesus taught mankind -- The Lord's prayer. Whoever prays the Lord's prayer exactly as Jesus taught it shall be heard even if he is a Muslim. Lord's prayer does not contain Jesus' name, it's simply addressed the Almighty(Our Father Who art in heaven)
Whoever genuinely pray likewise shall be heard irrespective of his religion.