Want To Know Who God Is?

Here is he for you.

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@Huxley: « #30 on: November 20, 2008, 06:13 PM »

I wonder if you have enough gut to read anything through? Get reading man. Expert is trying to educate your ignorant mind about what you know not!

@mazaje: « #31 on: November 20, 2008, 06:17 PM »

I am sure that Expert relishes that Title, because I do. But you; a slave of the world! Who is better? The world will perish while Allah will remain.


he is a slave of Allah. . . . . .



are you demented or what? What kind of post is this you are posting? Who do you think will read such rubbish?


@ experts

That crap you've posted was written over 900 years after the supposed life of Jesus and yet you claim it has precedence.

In Christianity, there's a thing called Diabolical Mimicry. It's basically a way to describe how earlier, authentic work is only fit for the trash can. It's totally illogical.

Islam works much the same way - "anything that came before is wrong except for what we decide to keep and use for ourselves". That's known as "plagiarism" in the real world. To make matters worse, Islam took the Christ figure and demoted him. That's simply known as "Being assholes".

@ olabowale

So you acknowledge being a fawning, slobbering slave over the shoes of your god and by the looks of it, you're proud of it. Good luck. You'll probably need it.

You should note that being a slave and being a servant are two different things.

Servants get rewarded or punished. Slaves are merely used and then discarded. The man with a brain does neither - he freely chooses to follow his god.

I know which of the three I would rather be.


funkilicious (f)

u said jesus is God, and if i may ask u what is the meaning of jesus?

and besides who ask u the name of God?

if u care to know, God has the most beautiful 99 names of Allah

they are as folows wikth there meaning:-

Name/Transliteration Translation

Asma al-Husna

The Most Beautiful Names of Allah

The Qur'an on the Divine Names

Mevlâna Jalâluddîn Rumi on the Divine Names

Allah The Greatest Name

Ar-Rahman 1 The All-Compassionate

Ar-Rahim 2 The All-Merciful

Al-Malik 3 The Absolute Ruler

Al-Quddus 4 The Pure One

As-Salam 5 The Source of Peace

Al-Mu'min 6 The Inspirer of Faith

Al-Muhaymin 7 The Guardian

Al-'Aziz 8 The Victorious

Al-Jabbar 9 The Compeller

Al-Mutakabbir 10 The Greatest

Al-Khaliq 11 The Creator

Al-Bari' 12 The Maker of Order

Al-Musawwir 13 The Shaper of Beauty

Al-Ghaffar 14 The Forgiving

Al-Qahhar 15 The Subduer

Al-Wahhab 16 The Giver of All

Ar-Razzaq 17 The Sustainer

Al-Fattah 18 The Opener

Al-'Alim 19 The Knower of All

Al-Qabid 20 The Constrictor

Al-Basit 21 The Reliever

Al-Khafid 22 The Abaser

Ar-Rafi' 23 The Exalter

Al-Mu'izz 24 The Bestower of Honors

Al-Mudhill 25 The Humiliator

As-Sami 26 The Hearer of All

Al-Basir 27 The Seer of All

Al-Hakam 28 The Judge

Al-'Adl 29 The Just

Al-Latif 30 The Subtle One

Al-Khabir 31 The All-Aware

Al-Halim 32 The Forebearing

Al-'Azim 33 The Magnificent

Al-Ghafur 34 The Forgiver and Hider of Faults

Ash-Shakur 35 The Rewarder of Thankfulness

Al-'Ali 36 The Highest

Al-Kabir 37 The Greatest

Al-Hafiz 38 The Preserver

Al-Muqit 39 The Nourisher

Al-Hasib 40 The Accounter

Al-Jalil 41 The Mighty

Al-Karim 42 The Generous

Ar-Raqib 43 The Watchful One

Al-Mujib 44 The Responder to Prayer

Al-Wasi' 45 The All-Comprehending

Al-Hakim 46 The Perfectly Wise

Al-Wadud 47 The Loving One

Al-Majíd 48 The Majestic One

Al-Ba'ith 49 The Resurrector

Ash-Shahid 50 The Witness

Al-h Haqq 51 The Truth

Al-Wakil 52 The Trustee

Al-Qawi 53 The Possessor of All Strength

Al-Matin 54 The Forceful One

Al-Wáli 55 The Governor

Al-Hamid 56 The Praised One

Al-Muhsi 57 The Appraiser

Al-Mubdi 58 The Originator

Al-Mu'id 59 The Restorer

Al-Muhyi 60 The Giver of Life

Al-Mumit 61 The Taker of Life

Al-Hayy 62 The Ever Living One

Al-Qayyum 63 The Self-Existing One

Al-Wajid 64 The Finder

Al-Májid 65 The Glorious

Al-Wahid 66 The Only One

Al-Ahad 67 The One

As-Samad 68 The Satisfier of All Needs

Al-Qadir 69 The All Powerful

Al-Muqtadir 70 The Creator of All Power

Al-Muqaddim 71 The Expediter

Al-Mu'akhkhir 72 The Delayer

Al-Awwal 73 The First

Al-Akhir 74 The Last

Az-Zahir 75 The Manifest One

Al-Batin 76 The Hidden One

Al-Walí 77 The Protecting Friend

Al-Muta'ali 78 The Supreme One

Al-Barr 79 The Doer of Good

At-Tawwib 80 The Guide to Repentance

Al-Muntaqim 81 The Avenger

Al-Afu 82 The Forgiver

Ar-Ra'uf 83 The Clement

Malik al-Mulk 84 The Owner of All


Wal-Ikram 85 The Lord of Majesty and Bounty

Al-Muqsit 86 The Equitable One

Al-Jami 87 The Gatherer

Al-Ghani 88 The Rich One

Al-Mughni 89 The Enricher

Al-Mani' 90 The Preventer of Harm

Ad-Darr 91 The Creator of The Harmful

An-Nafi 92 The Creator of Good

An-Nur 93 The Light

Al-Hadi 94 The Guide

Al-Badi 95 The Originator

Al-Baqi 96 The Everlasting One

Al-Warith 97 The Inheritor of All

Ar-Rashid 98 The Righteous Teacher

As-Sabur 99 The Patient One

so where is jesus here.

and for u to understand who jesus is,

jesus is knw to us (muslim) as isa.

Isa (Jesus)

The Story of Mary, Daughter of Imran

Allah Declares He Has No Son

In many verses of the Glorious Qur'an Allah the Exalted denied the claim of the Christians that He has a son.

A delegation from Nagran came to the Prophet Muhammad . They began to talk about their claim about the Trinity, which is that Allah is three in one, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with some disagreement among their sects. That is why Allah affirmed in many verses of the Qur'an that Jesus is a slave of Allah, whom He molded in the womb of his mother like any other of His creatures, and that He created him without a father, as He created Adam without a father or mother.

The Birth of Mary - Qur'anic

Allah the Almighty said: Allah chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above the Alamin (mankind and jinns) (of their times). Offspring, one of the other, and Allah is the All-Hearer, All-Knower.

(Remember) when the wife of Imran said: "0 my Lord! I have vowed to You what (the child that) is in my womb to be dedicated for Your services (free from all worldly work; to serve Your Place of worship), so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing."

Then when she delivered her (child Mary), she said: "0 my Lord! I have delivered a female child," - and Allah knew better what she delivered, - "and the male is not like the female, and I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge with You (Allah) for her and for her offspring from Satan, the outcast." Surah 3: 33-36

Mary's Sustenance - Qur'anic

So her Lord (Allah) accepted her with goodly acceptance. He made her grow in a good manner and put her under the care of Zechariah. Every time he entered Al-Mihrab (a praying place or a private room), he found her supplied with sustenance.

He said: "0 Mary! From where have you got this?"

She said: "From Allah. Verily, Allah provides sustenance to whom He wills, without limit." Surah 3: 37

Mary's Family History

Allah declared that He had elected Adam and the elite of his offspring who obey Allah. Then He specified the family of Abraham , which includes the sons of Ishmael , and the family of Imran, the father of Mary.

Muhammad Ibn Ishaaq stated that he was Imran Ibn Bashim, Ibn Amun, Ibn Misha, Thn Hosqia, Ibn Ahriq, Ibn Mutham, Ibn Azazia, Ibn Amisa, Thn Yamish, Ibn Ahrihu, Ibn Yazem, Thn Yahfashat, Thn Eisha, Thn Iyam, Thn Rahbaam, Ibn David (Dawud).

Mary's Birth - Longer Version

Prophet Zechariah's wife's sister had a daughter named Hannah. She was married to Imran, a leader of the Israelites. For many years the couple remained childless. Whenever Hannah saw another woman with a child, her longing for a baby increased. Although years had passed, she never lost hope. She believed that one day Allah would bless her with a child, on whom she would shower all her motherly love.

She turned to the Lord of the heavens and the earth and pleaded with Him for a child. She would offer the child in the service of Allah's house, in the temple of Jerusalem. Allah granted her request. When she learned she was pregnant she was the happiest woman alive, and thanked Allah for His gift. Her overjoyed husband Imran also thanked Allah for His mercy.

However, while she was pregnant her husband passed away. Hannah wept bitterly. Alas, 'Imran did not live to see their child for whom they had so longed. She gave birth to a girl, and again turned to Allah in prayer: "0 my Lord, I have delivered a female child, , and the male is not like the female, and I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge with You (Allah) for her and her offspring from Satan, the outcast. Surah 3: 36

Zechariah Becomes Mary's Guardian

Hannah had a big problem in reference to her promise to Allah, for females were not accepted into the temple, and she was very worried. He sister's husband, Zechariah, comforted her, saying that Allah knew best what she had delivered and appreciated fully what she had offered in His service. She wrapped the baby in a shawl and handed it over to the temple elders.

As the baby was a girl, the question of her guardianship posed a problem for the elders. This was a child of their late and beloved leader, and everyone was eager to take care of her. Zechariah said to the elders: "I am the husband of her maternal aunt and her nearest relation in the temple; therefore, I will be more mindful of her than all of you.

As it was their custom to draw lots to solve disagreements, they followed this course. Each one was given a reed to throw into the river. They had agreed that whoever's reed remained afloat would be granted guardianship of the girl. All the reeds sank to the bottom except Zechariah's. With this sign, they all surrendered to the will of Allah and made him the guardian.

Mary's High Status

To ensure that no one had access to Mary, Zechariah built a separate room for her in the temple. As she grew up, she spent her time in devotion to Allah. Zechariah visited her daily to see to her needs, and so it continued for many years. One day, he was surprised to find fresh fruit which was out of season in her room. As he was the only person who could enter her room, he asked her how the fruit got there. She replied that these provisions were from Allah, as He gives to whom He wills. Zechariah understood by this that Allah had raised Mary's status above that of other women.

Thereafter, Zechariah spent more time with her, teaching and guiding her. Mary grew to be a devotee of Allah, glorifying Him day and night.

Mary's High Status - Qur'anic

Ali Ibn Abi Talib narrated that the Prophet Muhammad said: 'The best of the world's women is Mary (in her lifetime), and the best of the world's women is Khadijah (in her lifetime).

Abu Musa Al-Ashari also narrated that the Prophet Muhammad said: "Many among men attained perfection, but among women none attained perfection except Mary the daughter of Imran, and Asiya the wife of Pharaoh; and the superiority of Aisha to other women is like the superiority of Tharid (an Arabic dish) to other meals."

The Birth of Prophet Isa (Jesus)

Mary Receives News of Jesus

While Mary was praying in the temple, an angel in the form of a man appeared before her. Filled with terror, she tried to flee, praying: "Verily! I seek refuge with the Most Beneficent (Allah) from you, if you do fear Allah."

(The angel) said: "I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son."

She said: "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?"

He said: "So (it will be), your Lord said: That is easy for me (Allah): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allah). Surah 19: 18-21

The Brith of Jesus

The angel's visit caused Mary great anxiety, which increased as the months went by. How could she face giving birth to a child without having a husband? Later, she felt life kicking inside her. With a heavy heart, she left the temple and went to Nazareth, the city in which she had been born where she settled in a simple farm house to avoid the public.

But fear and anxiety did not leave her. She was from a noble and pious family. Her father had not been an evil man nor was her mother an impure woman. How could she prevent tongues from wagging about her honor?

After some months, she could not bear the mental strain any longer. Burdened with a heavy womb, she left Nazareth, not knowing where to go to be away from this depressing atmosphere.

She had not gone far, when she was overtaken by the pains of childbirth. She sat down against a dry palm tree, and here she gave birth to a son. Looking at her beautiful baby, she was hurt that she had brought him into the world without a father. She exclaimed: "I wish I had died before this happened and had vanished into nothingness!"

Suddenly, she heard a voice nearby: "Grieve not, your Lord has placed a rivulet below, and shake the trunk of this tree, from which ripe dates will fall. So eat and drink and regain the strength you have lost; and be of good cheer, for what you see is the power of Allah, Who made the dry palm tree regain life, in order to provide food for you." For a while she was comforted by Allah's miracle, for it was a sure sign of her innocence and purity.

Mary Returns to the City with Jesus

She decided to return to the city. However, her fears also returned. What was she going to tell the people? As if sharing his mother's worry, the baby began to speak: "If you meet any person say: 'I have vowed to fast for The Beneficent and may not speak to any human today."' With this miracle, Mary felt at ease.

As she had expected, her arrival in the city with a newborn baby in her arms excited the curiosity of the people. They scolded her: 'This is a terrible sin that you have committed." She put her finger to her lips and pointed to the child. They asked: "How can we speak to a newborn baby?" To their total amazement, the child began to speak clearly: "I am Allah's servant. Allah has given me the Book, and has made me a prophet, and has blessed me wherever I may be, and has enjoined on me prayers and alms-giving as long as I live. Allah has made me dutiful towards she who has borne me. He has not made me arrogant nor unblessed. Peace unto me the day I was born, the day I die and the day I shall be raised alive."

Most of the people realized that the baby was unique, for if Allah wills something, He merely says "Be" and it happens. Of course, there were some who regarded the baby's speech as a strange trick, but at least Mary could now stay in Nazareth without being harassed.

Mary Receives News of Jesus - Qur'anic

Allah the Exalted revealed: And mention in the Book (the Qur'an, 0 Muhammad the story of) Mary, when she withdrew in seclusion from her family to a place facing east. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh (angel Gabriel), and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.

She said: "Verily! I seek refuge with the Most Beneficent (Allah) from you, if you do fear Allah."

(The angel) said: "I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son."

She said: "How can Ihave a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?" He said: 'So (it will be), your Lord said: That is easy for Me (Allah): and (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed. (by Allah)." Surah 19: 16-21

The Birth of Jesus - Qur'anic

So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place (ie., Bethlehem valley, about four to six miles from Jerusalem). And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said: "Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!"

Then (the babe "Jesus" or Gabriel) cried unto her from below her, saying: "Grieve not! Your Lord has provided a water stream under you; and shake the trunk of palm tree to wards you, it will let fall fresh ripe dates upon you. So eat and drink and be glad, and if you see any human being, say. 'Verily! I have vowed a fast unto the Most Beneficent (Allah) so I shall not speak to any human being this day. Surah 22-26

Mary and Jesus Return to the City - Qur'anic

Then she brought him (the baby) to her people, carrying him. They said: "0 Mary! Indeed you have brought a thing Fariyya (an unheard mighty thing). 0 sister (i.e. the like) of Aaron (not the brother of Moses, but he was another pious man at the time of Mary)! Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor was your mother an unchaste woman."

Then she pointed to him. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"

He (Jesus) said: "Verily! I am a slave of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet; And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me prayer, and Zakat, as long as Ilive, and dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest. And Salam (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!" Surah 19: 27-33

Allah's Message About Jesus - Qur'anic

Such is Jesus, son of Mary. (It is) a statement of truth, about which they doubt (or dispute). It befits not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son (this refers to the slander of Christians against Allah, by saying that Jesus is the son of Allah). Glorified (and Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him). When He decrees a thing. He only says to it, "Be!" - and it is.

(Jesus said): 'And verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him (Alone). That is the Straight Path. (Allah Religion of Islamic Monotheism which He did ordain for all of His Prophets)."

Then the sects differed (i.e., the Christians about Jesus), so woe unto the disbelievers (those who gave false witness saying that Jesus is the son of Allah) from the meeting of a great Day (i.e., the Day of Resurrection, when they will be thrown in the blazing Fire).

How clearly will they (polytheists and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) see and hear, the Day when they will appear before Us! But the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers) today are in plain error. And warn them (0 Muhammad) of the Day of grief and regrets, when the case has been decided, while (now) they are in a state of carelessness, and they believe not. Surah 19: 34-39

Some Stories About Mary's Pregnancy

It was said that Joseph the Carpenter was greatly surprised when he knew the story, so he asked Mary: "Can a tree come to grow without a seed?" She said: "Yes, the one which Allah created for the first time." He asked her again: "Is it possible to bear a child without a male partner?" She said: "Yes, Allah created Adam without male or female!"

It was also said that, while pregnant, Mary went one day to her aunt, who reported that she felt as if she was pregnant. Mary in turn said that she, too, was feeling as if she was pregnant. Then her aunt said: "I can see what is in my womb prostrating to what is in your womb."

Jesus Upsets the Jews

The Jewish priests felt this child Jesus was dangerous, for they felt that the people would turn their worship to Allah the Almighty alone, displacing the existing Jewish tenets. Consequently, they would lose their authority over the people. Therefore, they kept the miracle of Jesus's speech in infancy as a secret and accused Mary of a great misdeed.

Jesus's Ability to Debate

As Jesus grew, the signs of prophethood began to increase. He could tell his friends what kind of supper waited for them at home and what they had hidden and where. When he was twelve years old, he accompanied his mother to Jerusalem. There he wandered into the temple and joined a crowd listening to the lectures of the Rabbis (Jewish priests). The audience were all adults, but he was not afraid to sit with them. After listening intently, he asked questions and expressed his opinion. The learned rabbis were disturbed by the boy's boldness and puzzled by the questions he asked, for they were unable to answer him. They tried to silence him, but he ignored their attempts and continued to express his views. Jesus became so involved in this exchange that he forgot he was expected back home.

In the meantime, his mother went home, thinking that he might have gone back with relatives or friends. When she arrived, she discovered that he was not there, so she returned to the city to look for him. At last she found him in the temple, sitting among the learned, conversing with them. He appeared to be quite at ease, as if he had been doing this all his life. Mary got angry with him for causing her worry. He tried to assure her that all the arguing and debating with the learned had made him forget the time.

Jesus Does Not Observe Sabbath

Jesus grew up to manhood. It was Sabbath, a day of complete rest: no fire could be lit or extinguished, nor could females plait their hair. Moses had commanded that Saturday be dedicated to the worship of Allah. However, the wisdom behind the Sabbath and its spirit had gone, and only the letter remained in the Jews, hearts. Also, they thought that the Sabbath was kept in heaven, and that the People of Israel had been chosen by Allah only to observe the Sabbath.

They made a hundred things unlawful on Saturday even self-defense or calling a doctor to save a patient who was in bad condition. This is how their life was branded by such hypocrisy. Although the Pharisees were guardians of the law, they were ready to sell it when their interests were involved so as to obtain personal gains. There was, for example, a rule which prohibited a journey of more than one thousand yards on the Sabbath day. What do we expect of the Pharisees in this case? The day before, they transferred their food and drink from their homes two thousand yards away and erected a temporary house so that from there they could travel a further thousand yards on the Sabbath day.

Jesus was on his way to the temple. Although it was the Sabbath, he reached out his hand to pick two pieces of fruit to feed a hungry child. This was considered to be a violation of the Sabbath law. He made a fire for the old women to keep themselves warm from the freezing air. Another violation. He went to the temple and looked around. There were twenty thousand Jewish priests registered there who earned their living from the temple. The rooms of the temple were full of them.

Jesus Receives His Prophethood

Jesus observed that the visitors were much fewer than the priests. Yet the temple was full of sheep and doves which were sold to the people to be offered as sacrifices. Every step in the temple cost the visitor money. They worshipped nothing but money. In the temple the Pharisees and Sadducees acted as if it were a market place, and these two groups always disagreed on everything. Jesus followed the scene with his eyes and observed that the poor people who could not afford the price of the sheep or dove were swept away like flies by the Pharisees and Saducees. Jesus was astonished. Why did the priests burn a lot of offerings inside the temple, while thousands of poor people were hungry outside it?

On this blessed night, the two noble prophets John and Zechariah died, killed by the ruling authority. On the same night, the revelation descended upon Jesus . Allah the Exalted commanded him to begin his call to the children of Israel. To Jesus, the life of ease was closed, and the page of worship and struggle was opened.

Jesus's Message

Like an opposing force, the message of Jesus came to denounce the practices of the Pharisees and Saducees and to reinforce the Law of Moses. In the face of a materialistic age of luxury and worship of gold, Jesus called his people to a nobler life by word and deed. This exemplary life was the only way out of the wretchedness and diseases of his age.

Jesus's call, from the beginning, was marked by its complete uprightness and piety. It appealed to the soul, the inner being, and not to a closed system of rules laid down by society.

Jesus continued inviting the people to Almighty Allah. His call was based on the principle that there is no mediation between the Creator and His creatures. However, Jesus was in conflict with the Jews' superficial interpretation of the Torah. He said that he did not come to abrogate the Torah, but to complete it by going to the spirit of its substance to arrive at its essence.

He made the Jews understand that the Ten Commandments have more value than they imagined. For instance, the fifth commandment does not only prohibit physical killing, but all forms of killing: physical, psychological, or spiritual. And the sixth commandment does not prohibit adultery only in the sense of unlawful physical contact between a man and a woman, but also prohibits all forms of unlawful relations or acts that might lead to adultery. The eye commits adultery when it looks at anything with passion.

Jesus Denounces Materialism

Jesus was therefore in confrontation with the materialistic people. He told them to desist from hypocrisy, show and false praise. There was no need to hoard wealth in this life. They should not preoccupy themselves with the goods of this passing world; rather they must preoccupy themselves with the affairs of the coming world because it would be everlasting.

Jesus told them that caring for this world is a sin, not fit for pious worshipers. The disbelievers care for it because they do not know a better way. As for the believers, they know that their sustenance is with Allah, so they trust in Him and scorn this world.

Jesus continued to invite people to worship the Only Lord, Who is without partner, just as he invited them to purify the heart and soul.

Jewish Priests Try to Embarrass Jesus

His teaching annoyed the priests, for every word of Jesus was a threat to them and their position, exposing their misdeeds.

The Roman occupiers had, at first, no intention of being involved in this religious discord of the Jews because it was an internal affair, and they saw that this dispute would distract the Jews from the question of the occupation.

However, the priests started to plot against Jesus. They wanted to embarrass him and to prove that he had come to destroy the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law provides that an adulteress be stoned to death. They brought him a Jewish adulteress and asked Jesus: "Does not the law stipulate the stoning of the adulteress?" Jesus answered: "Yes." They said: "This woman is an adulteress." Jesus looked at the woman and then at the priests. He knew that they were more sinful than she. They agreed that she should be killed according to Mosaic Law, and they understood that if he was going to apply Mosaic Law, he would be destroying his own rules of forgiveness and mercy.

Jesus understood their plan. He smiled and assented: "Whoever among you is sinless can stone her." His voice rose in the middle of the Temple, making a new law on adultery, for the sinless to judge sin. There was none eligible; no mortal can judge sin, only Allah the Most Merciful.

As Jesus left the temple, the woman followed him. She took out a bottle of perfume from her garments, knelt before his feet and washed them with perfume and tears, and then dried his feet with her hair. Jesus turned to the woman and told her to stand up, adding: "0 Lord, forgive her sins." He let the priests understand that those who call people to Almighty Allah are not executioners. His call was based on mercy for the people, the aim of all divine calls.

Jesus's Brings the Dead to Life

Jesus continued to pray to Allah for mercy on his people and to teach his people to have mercy on one another and to believe in Allah.

Jesus continued his mission, aided by divine miracles. Some Qur'anic commentators said that Jesus brought four people back from the dead: a friend of his named Al-Azam, an old woman's son, and a woman's only daughter. These three had died during his lifetime. When the Jews saw this they said: "You only resurrect those who have died recently; perhaps they only fainted." They asked him to bring back to life Sam the Ibn Noah.

When he asked them to show him his grave, the people accompanied him there. Jesus invoked Allah the Exalted to bring him back to life and behold, Sam the Ibn Noah came out from the grave gray-haired. Jesus asked: "How did you get gray hair, when there was no aging in your time?" He answered: "0, Spirit of Allah, I thought that the Day of Resurrection had come; from the fear of that day my hair turned gray."

The Miracles of Jesus - Qur'anic

Allah the Almighty said: (Remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): 'O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My Favor to you and to your mother when I supported you with Ruh-ul-Qudus (Gabriel) so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity and when I taught you writing Al-Hikmah (the power of understanding), the Torah and the Gospel; and when you made out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) since you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.

And when I (Allah) put in the hearts of the disciples (of Jesus) to believe in Me and My Messenger, they said: "We believe. And bear witness that we are Muslims. " Surah 5: 110-111

Jesus's Abilities and Disciples - Qur'anic

Almighty Allah also revealed: And He (Allah) will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunna, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Torah and the Gospel.

And will make him (Jesus) a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe. And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me. Truly! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path."

Then when Jesus came to know of their disbelief he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" The disciples said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)."

Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger (Jesus); so write us down among those who bear witness (to the truth i.e. La ilaha ill Allah - none has the right to be worshiped but Allah).

And they (disbelievers) plotted (to kill Jesus), and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners. Surah 3: 48-54

Allah Sends the Disciples a Feast

Jesus continued calling people to Almighty Allah and laying down for them what might be called "the law of the Spirit." Once when standing on a mountain surrounded by his disciples, Jesus saw that those who believed in him were from among the poor, the wretched, and the downtrodden, and their number was small.

Some of the miracles which Jesus performed had been requested by his disciples, such as their wish for a "holy table" to be sent down from heaven.

Allah the Exalted said: (Remember) when the disciples said: "0 Jesus, son of Mary! Can your Lord send down to us a table spread (with food) from heaven?" Jesus said: "Fear Allah, if you are indeed believers." They said: "We wish to eat thereof and to be stronger in Faith, and to know that you have indeed told us the truth and that we ourselves be its witnesses."

Jesus, son of Mary, said: "0 Allah, our Lord! Send us from heaven a table spread (with food) that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a festival and a sign from You; and provide us sustenance, for You are the Best of sustainers." Allah said: "I am going to send it down unto you, but if any of you after that disbelieves, then I will punish him with a torment such as Iha ye not inflicted on anyone among (all) the Alamin (mankind and jinn)." Surah 5: 112-116

It was related that Jesus commanded his disciples to fast for thirty days; at the end of it, they asked Jesus to bring food from heaven to break their fast. Jesus prayed to Allah after his disciples had doubted Allah's power. The great table came down between two clouds, one above and one below, while the people watched. Jesus said: "0 Lord, make it a mercy and not a cause of distress." So it fell between Jesus's hands, covered with a napkin.

Jesus suddenly prostrated and his disciples with him. They sensed a fragrance which they had never smelled before. Jesus said: 'The one who is the most devout and most righteous may uncover the table, that we might eat of it to thank Allah for it." They said: "0 Spirit of Allah, you are the most deserving."

Jesus stood up, then performed ablution and prayed before uncovering the table, and behold, there was a roasted fish. The disciples said: "0 Spirit of Allah, is this the food of this world or of Paradise?" Jesus said to his disciples: "Did not Allah forbid you to ask questions? It is the divine power of Allah the Almighty Who said: 'Be,' and it was. It is a sign from Almighty Allah warning of great punishment for unbelieving mortals of the world. This is the kernel of the matter."

It is said that thousands of people partook of it, and yet they never exhausted it. A further miracle was that the blind and lepers were cured.

The Day of the Table became one of the holy days for the disciples and followers of Jesus. Later on, the disciples and followers forgot the real essence of the miracles, and so they worshipped Jesus as a god.

Allah's Questions to Jesus

Almighty Allah asserted: And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "0 Jesus son of Mary! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?"' He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen. Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord', And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world). If you punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, Verily You, only You are the All-Mighty the All- Wise."

Allah will say: 'This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise) - they shall abide therein forever. Allah is pleased with them and they with Him. That is the great success (Paradise). To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein, and He is Able to do all things." Surah 5: 116-120

The Jews Plot to Kill Jesus

Jesus went on with his mission until vice knew that its throne was threatening to fall. So the forces of evil accused him of magic, infringement of the Mosaic Law, allegiance with the devil; and when they saw that the poor people followed him, they began to scheme against him.

The Sanhedrin, the highest judicial and eclesiastical council of the Jews, began to meet to plot against Jesus. The plan took a new turn. When the Jews failed to stop Jesus's call, they decided to kill him. The chief priests held secret meetings to agree on the best way of getting rid of Jesus.

While they were in such a meeting, one of the twelve apostles of Jesus, Judas Iscariot, went to them and asked: "What will you give me if I deliver him to you?" Judas bargained with them until they agreed to give him thirty pieces of silver known as shekels. The plot was laid for the capture and murder of Jesus.

It was said that the high priest of the Jews tore his garment at the meeting, claiming that Jesus had denied Judaism. The tearing of clothes at that time was a sign of disgust.

The Torture of Jesus

The priests had no authority to pass the death sentence at that time, so they convinced the Roman governor that Jesus was plotting against the security of the Roman Empire and urged him to take immediate action against him. The governor ordered that Jesus be arrested.

According to the Book of Matthew, Jesus was arrested and the council of the high priests passed the death sentence upon him. Then, they began insulting him, spitting on his face and kicking him.

It was the Roman custom for the condemned to be flogged before they were executed. So Pilate, the Roman governor, ordered that Jesus be flogged. The Mosaic Law stipulates forty lashes, but the Romans had no limit, and they were brutal lashes. After that, Jesus was handed to the soldiers for crucifixion. They took off his clothes and kept them. They put a crown of thorns on his head to mock him. According to custom he carried his cross on his back to increase his suffering.

Jesus's Crucifixion - Bible Version

Finally, they reached a place called Golgotha, meaning the Place of Skulls, outside the walls of Jerusalem. Instead of giving him a cup of wine diluted with scent to help lessen the pain on the cross, the soldiers gave Jesus a cup of vinegar diluted with gall. Then they crucified him and, as a further mockery, two thieves with him. So it is written in the Bible.

Jesus's Crucifixion - Qur'anic

But the faith of Islam came with views quite different from that of the extant gospels with regards to both the end of Jesus and his nature.

The Glorious Qur'an affirms that Allah the Exalted did not permit the people of Israel to kill Jesus or crucify him. What happened was that Allah saved him from his enemies and raised him to heaven. They never killed Jesus; they killed someone else.

Allah the Almighty declared: And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah Jesus, son of Mary the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. Jesus, son of Mary): But Allah raised him (Jesus) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, all- Wise.

And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him (Jesus, son of Mary as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being), before his (Jesus or a Jew's or a Christian's) death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he (Jesus) will be a witness against them. Surah 4: 157-159

Almighty Allah also revealed: And (remember) when Allah said: "0 Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you (of the forged statement that Jesus is Allah son) of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve (in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Torah, the Gospel, the Qur'an) till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute. Surah 3: 55

Refutation of the Christians Claim

Allah Disclaims Begetting Anyone - Surah 19

Almighty Allah refuted the claims of the Jews and the Christians in many verses of the Glorious Qur'an.

And they say: 'The Most Beneficent (Allah) has begotten a son (or offspring or children) as the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say that He has begotten a son (Christ), and the pagan Arabs say that He has begotten daughters (angels, etc.)."

Indeed you have brought forth (said) a terrible evil thing Where by the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins, that they ascribe a son (or offspring or children) to the Most Beneficent (Allah).

But it is not suitable for (the Majesty of) the Most Beneficent (Allah) that He should beget a son (or offspring or children). There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Beneficent (Allah) as a slave. Verily He knows each one of them, and has counted them a full counting And everyone of them will come to Him alone on the Day of Resurrection (without any helper, or protector or defender). Surah 19: 88-95

Allah Disclaims Begetting Anyone - Surah 6

Allah the Exalted also declared: Yet, they join the jinns as partners in worship with Allah, though He has created them (the jinns), and they attribute falsely without knowledge sons and daughters to Him. Be He Glorified! And Exalted above (all) that they attribute to Him.

He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything.

Such is Allah your Lord! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone), and He is the Wakil (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian etc.) over all things.

No vision can grasp Him, but His Grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Subtle and Courteous, Well-Acquainted with all things. Surah 6: 100-103

Allah Disclaims Begetting Anyone - Surah 4

Almighty Allah commanded: 0 people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah Jesus, son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be" - and he was) which He bestowed on Mary and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: 'Three (trinity)!" Cease! (It is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.

The Messiah will never be proud to reject to be a slave to Allah, nor the angels who are near (to Allah). And whosoever rejects His worship and is proud, then He will gather them all together unto Himself So, as for those who believed (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) and did deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards, and more out of His Bounty. But as for those who refuse His worship and were proud, He will punish them with a painful torment. And they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper. Surah 4: 171-173

Allah Disclaims Ezra as a Son

Almighty Allah also declared: And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah Curse be on them, how they are deluded a way from the truth!

They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah, (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah) and (they also took as their lord) Messiah, son of Mary, while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded (in the Torah and the Gospel) to worship none but One Ilah (God - Allah) La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshiped but He). Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him). Surah 9: 30-32

Allah Disclaims Begetting Anyone - Surah 37

Allah the Almighty also revealed: Now ask them (0 Muhammad): 'Are there (only) daughters for your Lord and sons for them?" Or did We create the angels females while they were witnesses?

Verily it is of their falsehood that they (Quraish pagans) say: 'Allah has begotten offspring or children (e. angels are the daughters of Allah)" And, verily they are liars!

Has He (then) chosen daughters rather than sons? What is the matter with you? How do you decide? Will you not then remember? Or is there for you a plain authority? Then bring your Book if you are truthful!

And they have invented a kinship, between Him and the jinns, but the jinn know well that they have indeed to appear (before Him) (i.e. they will be brought for accounts).

Glorified be Allah! (He is free) from what they attribute unto Him! Except the slaves of Allah, whom He chooses (for His Mercy i.e. true believers of Islamic Monotheism who do not attribute false things unto Allah). Surah 37: 149-160

Allah Disclaims Begetting Anyone - Surah 6 (Different Verses)

And Almighty Allah declared: Surely in disbelief are they who say that Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say (0 Muhammad): "Who then has the least power against Allah, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary his mother, and all those who are on the earth together?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills. And Allah is Able to do all things.

And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad) making (things) clear unto you, after a break in (the series of) Messengers, lest you say: 'There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner." But now has come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And Allah is Able to do all things. Surah 6: 17-19

Allah Disclaims Christian Beliefs About Jesus

Allah the Exalted warned: Surely they have disbelieved who say: 'Allah is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary." But the Messiah (Jesus) said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Verily whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers.

Surely disbelievers are those who said: 'Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no Ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God- Allah). And if they cease not from what they say verily a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.

Will they not repent to Allah and ask His Forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.

The Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed a way before him. His mother (Mary) was a Siddiqah i.e. she believed in the Words of Allah and His Books. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded a way (from the truth). Surah 6: 72-75

Allah Disclaims Begetting Anyone - Surah 17

And Almighty Allah ordered: And say: 'All the praises and thanks be to Allah, Who has not begotten a son (nor an offspring), and Who has no partner in (His) Dominion, nor He is low to have a Wali (helper, protector or supporter). And magnify Him with all the magnificence, Allah u-A kbar (Allah is the Most Great). " Surah 17: 111

Allah Disclaims Begetting Anyone - Surah 112

The pagans once asked the Prophet Muhammad : 'To whom is your Lord related, His original ancestors and His various branches of descendants?" It is also reported that the Jews said: "We worship Ezra, the Son of Allah," and the Christians said: "Jesus is the Son of Allah," and the Magians said: "We worship the sun and the moon," and the Pagans said: "We worship idols."

In response to all of them Allah revealed some of His attributes: Unity, Uniqueness, and other substantives:

Say (0 Muhammad): "He is Allah, (the) One. Allah AsSamad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks). He begets not, nor was He begotten; and there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him. " Surah 112: 1-4

so stop confusing urself about Jesus. he his a messenger of Allah not son of God or God.


i wonder y most of the muslim here trying to proff the physicall existance of God to people here.

plz u have to stop all these b4 u sin to Allah.

u will assume u re trying to enlighten poeple but causing religius problem.

the people u re trying to rpoof god to are not people who can understand u.

and God said in the Holy qur'an

(إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ سَوَاءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ أَأَنذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنذِرْهُمْ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ )

Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.

خَتَمَ اللّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عظِيمٌ {7}

[Shakir 2:7] Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَقُولُ آمَنَّا بِاللّهِ وَبِالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَمَا هُم بِمُؤْمِنِينَ {8}

[Shakir 2:8] And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.

يُخَادِعُونَ اللّهَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَمَا يَخْدَعُونَ إِلاَّ أَنفُسَهُم وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ {9}

[Shakir 2:9] They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.

فِي قُلُوبِهِم مَّرَضٌ فَزَادَهُمُ اللّهُ مَرَضاً وَلَهُم عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْذِبُونَ {10}

[Shakir 2:10] There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied.

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لاَ تُفْسِدُواْ فِي الأَرْضِ قَالُواْ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُونَ {11}

[Shakir 2:11] And when it is said to them, Do not make mischief in the land, they say: We are but peace-makers.

أَلا إِنَّهُمْ هُمُ الْمُفْسِدُونَ وَلَـكِن لاَّ يَشْعُرُونَ {12}

[Shakir 2:12] Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers, but they do not perceive.

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ آمِنُواْ كَمَا آمَنَ النَّاسُ قَالُواْ أَنُؤْمِنُ كَمَا آمَنَ السُّفَهَاء أَلا إِنَّهُمْ هُمُ السُّفَهَاء وَلَـكِن لاَّ يَعْلَمُونَ {13}

[Shakir 2:13] And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they themselves are the fools, but they do not know.

so stop all this and switch to another topic


Madhatter! I wish I could call police on you. As Obasanyo did on Fela during the kalakuta republic era. But I am only a "SLAVE" of Allah.


Olabowale I believe I am God na sho, go call police.


Olabowale I believe I am God na sho, go call police.


@manmustwac: « #20 on: Today at 01:14:47 AM »


@Manmustwac: England seem to warp the thinking of almost all of you africans on nairaland. Most of you are now atheist or agnostics.

olabowale i hail from delta state but i grew up here and have been an atheist since i was 14 years old


I never denied your Nigerianness. Read my statement above, again. I think thats your problem: You make rash decisions. You seem not to exibit the inkling of a leader. You seem to be "whereever direction the wind blows." How on earth a 14 year old could know that there is no God beats me!

When I was 14, I knew that there is The God who kept my family and I, from many terrible conditions. And I also grew up in Nigeria. Our upbringing couldn't have been so much different, regardless of the generational gap.


If i wanted to learn how to cook correct pounded yam with egusi soup i would buy a cook book, if i wanted to learn how to speak french i would buy a french language book but how can me reading Surah Iklas? or The Quran for that matter prove that God exists? Reading books dosen't provide physical evidence.


I was respecting you before you began to show inconsistencies. If you will learn about cooking from how to cook book, and about speaking french, from how to speak french language book, is it not logical, to follow the same pattern about Learning about existence of God from Book of Religious Guidance from The God; The Qur'aan, which was given to His Human Messenger Prophet, Muhammad (AS), since you are also a Human being?

Shouldn't you read about The God from the Book that is the Authority to inform you, and adopt the saying and the manners and ways of life of the Messenger Prophet the God commissioned to give you the said guidance?


Surah Iklas? or The Quran for that matter prove that God exists? Reading books dosen't provide physical evidence.


Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

Rom 1:19 because the thing which may be known of God is clearly revealed within them, for God revealed it to them.

Rom 1:20 For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being realized by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse.

Rom 1:21 Because, knowing God, they did not glorify Him as God, neither were thankful. But they became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools


Oh. I hear you, oh. Chrisbenogor. Now in your concorted and distorbed praising of yourself and Huxley, see what you call yourself and then Huxley, above!

I bet Akinzwa of Benin will be upset, if you call yourself even a crown wearing Chief, like Ojumu, Iyazere, etc, in his palace. I guess, my argument above was way over your head. So the best you could do is just to deny everything. Yet before, you had been quick to analyse everything else.

Orishi rishi, omo 9ja. Wayo man. Now it is you who have to take it easy because you could not evn convince yourself that there is no God, since you are madly calling yourself it, then Huxley.


Olabowole take it easy you cannot show anyone here that there is God so just forget it oh!


If What brought things to life is termed the "Source of life," then it must be superior to things it brought to life, whereever and whichever things they have in common. It will be an antithesis, if what brought things to life, is in itself does not have a life. It will therefore not be superior, even not equal but inferior to, for example man, which by its share will came to live!

But if what brought us to life is superior to us, and we are a living being, then this superior being must be a superior living being. And since we have a limited time alive, then we would expect that the superior being should have a limitless time of life, actually, it should be eternal. Anything less than that will be unfitting to this only source of all things, a completely unique being, separate and different from all that came about from it, as the source.

If we see, then you will argue that the sight of this Source of life must be all encompassing, superior. If we hear, then its hearing must be all encomapssing. If we have intelligence, its intelligence must be unlimited, it should be an all knowing being. These and others are good values or functions that humans have that are beneficial to us. The only source of life should have them in a more superior and without a limited comprehension.

What are also signs of vunerability in man, eg, sleep, need of food for nourishments, etc, should not be part of what the Source of life should share. Infact, its superiority must include its being beyond and above these things of weaknesses.

If this source of life is Unique; by it being superior in all the things that it shares with the most advanced of all the things that came from it, (humans; being alive, sight, hearing, etc), and there must be somethings that it does not share with humans which truly gives the sign of it being separate, apart and unique from us (need of food, defication, etc).

All that man wants is to live for ever, or have eternal life, escape death. Man struggles to reach this goal. It will be a goal that man can never reach. The Source of life is the only entity that has this unique quality. He is not contrained by time, or any of the things that plague us, which therefore give insight to out limited abilities.

This source of life is Allah. Do you think that He being Eternally alive and Superior will not include being actually in existence?


Huxley I left for just small time and you take over as God!

Ok I will allow you to reign for only today oh tomorrow better return the crown Asap.


@Huxley: « #10 on: Today at 01:33:46 AM »

Exactly at the time of its beginning. When Allah the Creator brought it to being. Your best science method, be it carbon dating or other advanced future method, will not be able to pinpoint the exact time and place in space that the universe was brought about, in its beginning. Or can it? This is one of those things that will be outside the scope of human knowledge.

If I may amuse you for a moment, if your idea is that a particle did exist and its internal and external activities brought about everything else, I am sure that you can not identify that very particle right now. Nor could you tell us without any doubt what was its make up, its position at the time it was alone and what exactly acted upon it to cause internal and external activities that brought about all these complex things that some are living while others are not, etc?

I am also sure you could not tell us if that first particle was a living matter or not. There are so many you don't know. So why don't you deal with what you know first: how did you truly came about? And why can't you prevent yourself from dying? Amuse me, Huxley. I want to laugh.

@[Bastage]: « #11 on: Today at 12:33:56 PM »

Thank you. I appreciate it. By the way, in my book a slave knows his humble position and accepts it, since he has no choice. I am happy being Allah's slave. Also His servant, too.

Now, who is your master? Just imagine yourself in the days of slave trade. Okay prior to the white Europeans/Americans/Arabs invasions of Africa, etc. The Coptic Egyptians, for example enslaved the Children of Israel. The Children of Israel did not have any choice in the matter. It was Allah who commissioned Musa (AS) to free them, in the long run from this long and excruciating bondage. My case is not that. I can keep all the monies of my labor and dispose them as I wish. The children of Israel did not have that freedom under the Coptic Fir'awn oppression.

This tells you that my slavery is not the same, with what you know and expect. My comes with full previleges, freedom and clear mind with the hope of altimate reward in Paradise for my full acceptance of my servitude.

Now where do you go from here, with your condition?


An argument against free-thinking.

You truly are a slave of Allah. Not a servant. A slave.


olabowale ,

You say that the universe had a beginning in time. How long ago was that beginning?


God is he creator of all things, humans, that is earth and its fullness thereof,and all the universes.

So whatever thread anybody post questioning who or what God is, will never change never change who He is.

And all the confused people hear hiding under the cloak of atheisism,i will include you in my prayers that God will give you a peace that will pass all understanding.


From the Qur'an; Face of Allah; chapter 2 verses 112 and272.

6 verse 52,

13 verse 22. And there are many other chapters and verses.

Other talks about His eyes which sees all.

His ears which hears all.

His knowledge which encompasses all.

And His stretched arms that covers all. If His Angel, eg Jibril was seen by Muhammad, do you not get it into your mind that such a being was created by an existing Creator, who surpasses everything?


For purposes of building confidence,

here is a short translated excerpt of Imam al-Ghazali's own writings about

this topic in his famous Ihya' al-`Ulum al-Din:

First Proof (Existence of Allah):

"It is a natural impulse that the intellect dictates that no thing which

has a beginning in time could be free of a preceding external cause

to have brought it into existence. And the universe has a beginning

in time and thus must necessarily need an external cause to have

brought it into existence.

As for our statement that something which had a start in time must

necessarily have a preceding external cause, it is obvious [that it is

true]. This is because every thing that starts in time has a specific

time [in which it becomes existent]. And rationally speaking, it is

possible for it to have come into existence before the specific time

it came into existence or after this specific time. Thus, its occurrence

being singled out for that specific time rather than a time before it

or after it necessarily points to Someone that chose [this time of

occurrence for it].

As for our statement that the universe had a beginning in time, its

proof is that the physical bodies of the universe must either be in

motion or stillness. And these two things [i.e. motion and stillness]

are created in time. And that [essence] which cannot be without

[attributes] which begin in time must also have a beginning in time.

But, in this above proof, we are making three claims:

The first claim is that physical essences must either be in motion

or in stillness. And this is known [to humans] by second nature

and necessarily. This fact does not require multi-step thinking and

thought. So, whoever can imagine a physical body which is not

moving or standing still [at the same time] is riding in ignorance and

away from the way of the intellect.

The second claim is that [the attributes of] motion and stillness have

beginnings in time. The proof for this is that one of these attributes

follows the other in time - one at a time. And this can be seen in all

physical essences, the ones we can see and the ones we cannot see.

So there is not a physical object in stillness except that the intellect

accepts that it can be in motion instead. And there is not a physical

object in motion except that the intellect accepts that it can stand still.

Thus, the attribute that came into existence [replacing the

other one] has a beginning in time for the fact that we saw it come

into existence. And the previous replaced attribute has a beginning

in time because its going out of existence has been seen. This is

because if the previous attribute never began in time, it could never

end in time as we will explain later when giving the proof for the

endlessness of the Creator High and Holy be He.

The third claim is that if an essence is described by attributes that

have beginnings in time, that essence must also have a beginning

in time. The proof for this is that if this were not true, every

occurrence [of motion or stillness] would have an occurrence

before it [which replaced it] without having any first ultimate

primary state. If that were true, than the number of occurrences

up to our present time would be infinite, And also the number

of rotations/revolutions that a celestial body has completed [up to

our time] has to be either odd or even. This is because, [if

the number of occurrences were infinite], they would be either

both odd and even or neither odd nor even; but these are two

mutually exclusive concepts [i.e. oddness and evenness] one of

which must [always] be true [for any number]. , And the

upshot of this is since the universe is described by attributes

that begin in time, it must also begin in time. Now if we know

that it had a beginning in time, then it is necessarily known that

it must have had a Creator to have brought it into existence."

Imam al-Ghazali continues:

Second Proof: (Allah's beginninglessness)

"The second fundamental principle is that Allah Most High never

had a beginning in time. He existed in pre-eternity without

His existence ever having a start. Rather, He is the first of

everything else and before every dead and living being.

The proof for this is that if He had a beginning in time, He would

also need someone to bring Him into existence. And His

creator would also need someone to bring him into existence.

And this would lead to an infinite regress. And all infinite regresses

never come up with anything. Or if we say that this regress ended

at an ultimate Creator, He then must have been the First One

[we were looking for]. And this First One is Whom we were seeking

and we could call Him the Creator of the universe,


[IU: volume 1: page(s) 183-184: line(s) 5-23, 1-10:

{ihya', qawa`id al-`aqa'id, section 3, beginning of

explanation of ten fundamental principles of belief

in Allah}]




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Originally Posted by AbuZayd Al-Britaani

I believe there are many methods by which one can come to the belief in the Creator / Allah swt. Rational thought is one of those methods and as a method it is supported by ayaat of the Qur'an.

The brothers from Hizb ut Tahrir are quite good in the explanation of this method which has also been explained by many of the Classical Ulema such as Imam al-Ghazali and others, I hope Enlightened, Abu Yusuf and others will comment regarding this.

The belief of a Muslim is summarised in the declaration of faith known as the kalimah (meaning: a word) and this is:

Laa ilaaha illAllaaha Muhammadur-Rasoolullaah

The meaning of this: 'There is nothing which has the right to be worshipped except Allaah (alone) and Muhammad is His Messenger."

Muslims believe that this Universe, by necessity, has a Creator. It is hard for a person's common sense to encompass that the Universe with all its order and regulation is a product of mere chance.

One of the scholars of Islaam, known as Abu Haneefah (d. 150H) once debated some atheists.

He asked them:

"What do you say about someone who tells you that he had seen a loaded ship without a captain and a crew amidst a strong storm, but sailing well towards a safe harbour [ thereby saving itself]? Do you intelligently accept this?"

They said: "Our reasoning cannot accept this".

Abu Haneefah then commented:

"If your reasoning does not accept the story of a ship without a leading crew, then how do you accept a whole universe with all its varied conditions and complex nature running without a Creator in full charge?"

So the atheists were dumbfounded and came to believe in Allaah.

Allaah says in the Qur'aan:

Verily, in the creation of the Heavens and the Earth, and in the alternation of the night and day, and the ships that sail through the sea with that which is of benefit to human-kind, and the rain which Allaah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He scatters therein, and in the changes in the direction of the winds, and the clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed Aayaat (proofs, signs, evidences) for a people of understanding" [Baqarah 2:164]

Thus, Muslims believe in the existence of Allaah, that He is the Originator and Creator of the Universe. And it follows therefore, that Muslims hold that the universe and everything within it has a definite purpose.


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I believe the question about the proof that God exists, should in no way involve science in the answer. God is above science, knows all scientific facts, and can never be compared to science in any way.

Another thread here had a long discussion about this very topic. Aethiests were putting their scientific views across in a very knowledgable way. I think they completely miss the point, that is, that God is above all and sees all.


A question which puzzles many people

It was narrated in a Hadeeth by Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be with him, said:

‘Some people will keep asking questions until they ask: ‘Allah created the creation but who created Allah?’ Whoever is asked this question, let him (simply) say ‘I believe in Allah’.’ (Narrated by Muslim


Jesus is God, The only way to heaven is through Jesus because he came to redeem us from our sinners. And the bible says the way is narrow, so please be among the few that we fit into the narrow entrance to heaven.


Rationalizing is a dangerous way to prove the existance of god.

People often use rationlaization to prove the existance of god and at the same time we muslims also try to follow the same path which often leads to the wrong conclusion.

Allthough there is nothing wrong with it, the best way is to approach the way the Quran and the Sunnah has told us to do so.

As in the case of creation of the universe, acording to the big bang theory a certain "Force X", was responsible for the cause of it. And if you want to rationalize this argument you say this Force X must have come from some where. As muslims we know its because of the will of Allahu Subahana wata'la.

But when you say this froce x is from god then the argument continues in the form of where did god come from, and it continues to be " God was created by another God and that God was created by another God" and goes on an on. Ultimately we come to the conclusion that there must be a God in the beggining and he wasnt created but existed on his own. From here we can always prove that there is only one god exists which evidently is what Islam says.

But its never going to be as simple as mentioned. Because these sort of rationalized arguments can deviate to antoher form and you never come to an end.

The best way is the way of the Quran and the Sunnah. The Quran it self is the proof of existance of Allah. So if a person wants any proof for the existance of God then the best guide is the Quran.

This does not mean rationlaizition is wrong but it often doesnt lead you to the correct conclusion.


Proof of Existence of Allah (SWT) - Shahid Hasan al-Banna


From: Al'Aqaa'id - The Islamic Creed

Rational and logical proofs of the attributes of Allah, exalted be He.

Theologians like to prove the attributes of Allah (SWT), using rational arguments and logical analogies. We see no harm in that approach because the mind is the repository of knowledge, and because sanity is a precondition for responsibility. This approach may help to remove any trace of confusion or falsehood from the mind of those who are confused or misguided. However, the existence of Allah and affirming His attributes of absolute Perfection have become self evident and hardly need any proof or argument. Only someone who is arrogant or with a diseased heart, would demand evidence for those self-evident truths. He may not even be satisfied with rational evidence. In spite of that, I am going to mention some general and specific rational proofs for the sake of completeness relating to what has been mentioned.

First proof

Our universe, which is so vast and intricate, points to the existence of its Creator, His greatness and Perfection.

Second proof

You cannot give what you do not have. If the Creator of this universe were not characterised by Perfection, how then can His creatures have in them the traces of those attributes of perfection.

Third proof

This has to do with the fact that the Creator is One and cannot possibly be more than one. This is because multiplicity of creators would be a cause of discord and chaos and one of them will have to be an overlord to the others since an essential quality of being God is to be majestic and great. Furthermore, if one of the Creators acted on his own, this would cancel out the divine attributes of the others, and if they joined together in action, this would do away with some of the attributes of each of them; and the annulment of the attributes of divinity contravenes its Majesty and Greatness. Thus there has to be One God and no other Lord.

These are examples of logical proofs of the existence of the Creator and His attributes. Whoever wants more proofs can refer to longer works. However, this matter is firmly established in the innate nature (fitra) of pure souls and sound hearts.

‘for any to whom God giveth not light, there is no light!’

(Surat-an-Nur (24), ayah 40)

A question which puzzles many people

It was narrated in a Hadeeth by Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be with him, said:

‘Some people will keep asking questions until they ask: ‘Allah created the creation but who created Allah?’ Whoever is asked this question, let him (simply) say ‘I believe in Allah’.’ (Narrated by Muslim)

(Imam Mazrewy commented on this Hadeeth and said that the Prophet, seems to be enjoining Muslims to refrain from trying to respond to such questions about Allah. However, Imam Mazrewy explained, such questions are of two types: those which are not troubling the mind and did not arise because of some misconception. Those can simply be ignored. It seems that the above mentioned Hadeeth is referring to this type of questions which are referred to as waswasah (whisperings of Satan). Since they are not persistently occurring to the mind, they can be set aside without consideration of evidence, because there is no benefit in dwelling on them. As to the persistent questions which arise as a result of some misconception, they can be tackled only with arguments and evidence. Wallahu a’lam (And Allah knows best))

This question is wrong in the first place because we have been commanded by the Prophet, may the peace and blessing of Allah be with Him, not to ponder over the essence of Allah (SWT), because our weak minds are incapable of conceiving the true nature even of themselves. So how can they possibly understand the true nature of Allah (SWT). However, this question comes to the minds of some people and I would like to explain the answer to them through an example which, God willing, will satisfy their questions.

I would say the following:

If you place a book on your desk and then go out of the room and come back a short while later and find that the book which you had left on the desk had been removed and placed in the drawer, you would in this situation, be firmly convinced that someone must have put it in the drawer, this is because you know very well that among the attributes of this book is that it cannot move by itself. Remember this point and let us now move to the next point.

If there is someone sitting on a chair in your office, and you go out and come back and find him sitting on the carpet, for example, you would not ask about the reason for his movement, and you would not believe that someone moved him from his earlier position, because you know that among the attributes of this person is that he can move by himself and that he does not need anyone to move him. Now bear this second point in mind and listen to what I am going to say next.

Human beings came into existence at a certain point in time, and we know that they do not come into existence by themselves, but they must have a Creator. From that we conclude that their Creator is Allah (SWT). Now since perfect divinity presupposes that the deity does not need any other but is necessarily self-sufficient, we conclude that Allah (SWT) exists by Himself and does not need anyone to create Him.

If you place the first two points next to what I have just said, the answer will become clear to you. This is as far as the human mind can go. I ask Allah to protect us from error for He is indeed Kind and Merciful.

Now I would like to quote to you some statements of some European scholars which support the existence of Allah (SWT) and acknowledge His perfect attributes, and Allah alone I trust to help me succeed in my endeavour.

Statements by physicists which support the existence of Allah and acknowledge His attributes.

We have stated earlier that this belief is innate in sound hearts and firmly established in pure minds. It is almost a self-evident fact supported by the outcome of the exercise of the mind, generation after generation. This is why European cosmologists and others have believed in it even though they didn’t learn about it from a religion. I shall move on to quote some of their testimonies, not by way of proving the truth of our faith, but in order to help strengthen it within souls and to silence those who would like to relinquish faith and who are deceiving themselves,

1) Descartes, the French philosopher, said ‘Even though I feel imperfection in myself, I feel at the same time there must be a Perfect Being and I find myself obliged to believe that this feeling was implanted in me by the Perfect Being which is characterised by all attributes of perfection, which is God.’

In this statement he is acknowledging his weakness and inadequacy and confirming his belief in the existence and perfection of Allah. He is acknowledging that his feelings and sensations are a gift from Allah and are part of the innate nature instilled in him by Allah:

‘the innate nature made by Allah in which He has made men’

(Surat-ar-Rum (30), ayah 30)

2) Isaac Newton, the well-known English physicist, who discovered the law of gravity said: ‘Don’t doubt the Creator, because it is inconceivable that accidents alone could be the controller of this universe.’

3) Herschel, the English astronomer, said: ‘The more knowledge we have, the more irrefutable proofs we obtain for the existence of an Eternal Creator with infinite power. Geologists, mathematicians, astronomers and biologists have co-operated in setting up the edifice of science which is the edifice of God’s greatness.’

4) Lenet was quoted by Camille Flamirion, the Frenchman, in his book titled ‘God in Nature’ as having said: ‘The wonders of God’s creation, the Everlasting, the Eternal, the Omniscient, the Omnipotent, have astounded me: what power, what wisdom, what creativity in His creatures, small or large. The benefits which we get from these creatures testify to the greatness of the Mercy of God who made them subservient to us. Their perfection and harmony points to His vast Wisdom. Their preservation from extinction and their renewal bear witness to His Majesty and Greatness.’

5) Herbert Spencer, the English philosopher, said in this respect in his Essay on Education: ‘Doubtless, to the superstitions that pass under the name of religion, science is antagonistic; but not to the essential religion which superstitions merely hide. Doubtless, too, in much of the science that is prevalent, there is a pervading spirit of irreligion; but not in that true science which has passed beyond the superficial into the profound.

Devotion to science is a tacit worship - a tacit recognition of worth in the things studied; by implication in their Cause. It is not a mere lip-homage, but a homage expressed in actions - not a mere professed respect, but a respect proved by the sacrifice, thought, and labour.

Not by dogmatic assertion, does it teach the impossibility of comprehending the Ultimate Cause of things; but it leads us clearly to recognise this impossibility by bringing us in every direction to the boundaries we cannot cross. It realises to us in a way which nothing else can, the insignificance of human intelligence in the face of that which transcends human intelligence.’

He then goes on to give examples to explain what he meant:

‘A scientist who sees a drop of water and knows that it is made up of oxygen and hydrogen in certain proportions, in such a way that if these proportions change, we would have something other than water, believes in the Greatness, the Power, the vast Wisdom and Knowledge of the Creator more strongly and firmly than a non-biologist who sees it only as a drop of water. Similarly, a scientist who looks at a hailstone under a microscope and sees the beauty of its design and the magnificence of its composition, no doubt feels the Beauty of the Creator and the His vast Wisdom more strongly than does someone who knows nothing about it more than that it is frozen rain.’

The statements of cosmologists in this regard are innumerable ,and what we have mentioned should suffice. We have cited those statements so that our young people realise that their religion is from Allah (SWT) and that science can only strengthen and support their faith.

Allah, the Exalted, says in the Holy Qur’an:

'Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?’

(Surat-Fussilat (41), ayah 53


@Manmustwac: England seem to warp the thinking of almost all of you africans on nairaland. Most of you are now atheist or agnostics. Man, I gave you Surah Iklas. Read it, you will know that He truly Physically exist. When He was indicated to be Visible to believers, in the day of Judgement, is that in your mind not physical, since the believers are going to be physical?

How about His Throne which are carried by Rows of Angels? Manmustwac, biko, go sleep. When you come to your senses, pick up Qur'an and read. If you ask any knowledgeable muslim about Allah's physical existence, and he denies it, know that he is a hypocrite. Allah is not like His creations, He is Unique and completely different.


hey if u really wanna know who GOD is then u shuld go and read a bible its gonna tell u all u need


Thank Allah. Your man was talking about the Christian god. I agree with him. Allah is the Existing God. Muhammad said that in the day of judgement, the believers in Paradise, as part of their reward, a thing separating them from the disbelievers who are being punished in hell, is that they will see Allah, as clearly as one sees a full moon in a very clear night.

Allah also says in the Qur'an that He will not look and He will not talk to the people going to Hellfire. Allah describes Himself as the Seer, the Hearer and Knower of all things. In the Qur'an He says that His arms reach all things and stretch to cover all. Muhammad (AS) always said about his Lord, when he swore; "By the One whose hand is the soul of Myhammad (AS)!"

There are many verses in the Qur'an which clearly indicate the existence of Allah: Allah talks to the Angels, then the Jinn who was Iblis before he became Shaitan. The Angels and Iblis heard His voice: about the creation of man the viceroy to the earth, which the Angels answered and expressed their concern about the evilness that may occur, again on earth; Surah Baqarah, verse 30 and few after it.

Allah spoke to Musa at the burning bush about the mission to Egypt, to warn Fir'awn, who was an unjust ruler, oppressing the tribes or nations of the Children of Israel. Finally, Muhammad (as) many contacts for 23 years with Malaika Jibril. He spoke to Jibril who confirmed that he was sent to Muhammad by Allah to Muhammad, who was by the first pieceof Qur'anic revelation "Surah Alaq, verses 1-5, became the Messenger and Prophet of Allah to mankind. In Surah Isra, we read the night transport of Muhammad from Makka to Jerusalem, where from Jerusalem, he ascended to heavens. He returned the same night by the same route to Makka.

The animal of transport was Buraq, tied up at the "wall", in Jerusalem, while he led 240, 000 previous human messengers and prophets, in Prayer, known as salah Ibrahima. Incidentally, Malaika Jibril was the only non-human among them who prayed behind him, in this prayer. Other persons behind him included our human father, the first man, Adam, Idris, Noah known for the flood, Ibrahim known as a true believer, father of all prophets after him, a personal friend of Allah, Musa who Allah destroyed Fir'awn of Egypt through him, Isa bin Mariam, the last Messenger/Prophet of the bloodline of Yakub, who was known as Israel.

In Surah Najm, we read what Muhammad saw in heaven, in this night. Allah, in addition from giving him the 5 daily Salah for the Muslims, also gave him the last 4 verses of Surah Baqarah. This four verses was given in the Makka period, yet Surah Baqarah is a Madina Surah. But when you read the surah, from the beginning to the end, every verse fit with what was before and after it. Finally, this night, process of tashahuud in Salah was formed as a greating of praise of Allah, from Muhammad to his Lord, the Almighty, and the respond of the Merciful to honor His Messenger.

Maybe the Christian can not tell you what their god is, Surah 112 completely describes who and what Allah is. Huxley read it. Study the Qur'an, because your finally success or lack of it depends on it. Have you watched the video about Jeffrey Lange, who was an atheist, now a muslim?

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